hayfield Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 This is the fret EC4H 501A for the additional switch chairs, enough chairs for one left and one right switch, can be A, B or C switches. Plenty of bits left over and with a bit of adaptation could be stretched to 4 turnouts. The main things are the block chairs, There are some chaired slide chairs, but due to how the Exactoscale P4 company kit works the centre section of the second chair is missing, this we can replicate and is how the sprue could be stretched to another couple of turnouts, I don't bother and just have loads of bits left over I have threaded the full chairs on, plus 2 centre check chairs and an additional slide chair. I will cut through the empty part of the check chair prior to fitting. The rail its self I have notched the top of the rail where the rail join should be and soldered some etched brass fishplates under the notches. In the C+L ready built turnout these are separate rails with plastic functional fishplates. A slightly quicker method, but both rails are insulated from each other As I said the crossing is built to 00sf gauge through the crossing, the left hand 3 chairs are not stuck in place yet and only the first chair past the roller gauge is stuck, as this is where the gauge will be flared out to 16.5 The first chair is stuck in place, the others will be stuck in place once the crossing chairs have cured View where the check rail will be fitted, as you can see the check chairs have been cut back. If only using normal chairs you would trim back the normal chairs when fitting the check rail The crossing will now be left to set, before the rest of the chairs are fitted and what I think the benefit of the additional switch chairs are seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 ThaneofFife Thanks for the reply and sorry if my build costings irritate you, hopefully others will find if useful I am not bashing those who want and are happy using ready to lay products, its a big hobby and there are parts that do not interest me, If you are happy with buying and using ready to lay trackwork then this thread I guess is not of much use. Many do aspire for in scale and better looking trackwork, as I have said I am not trying to undermine the C&L product which has been hand built by a professional, therefore as I said like a coach or loco which has been hand built it is priced accordingly I do beg to differ from you over the price justifications, on this and other threads the price of both the kits and the ready made turnout has been sited as a reason for not migrating from H0 products which the box shifters sell at discount. Time poor usually means being restricted to either paying someone else or settling for a small layout. Does not getting enjoyment from a particular aspect of modelling mean you do not do it, for some yes and others not, again perhaps this thread is not for that person The other biggest problem (other than cost) quoted is I do not have the skills to make it, I am trying to show a method which is far easier that which I have and perhaps others have shown in the past. I cannot do anything to assist the time poor (though this is proving a quicker build method) or those who don't like doing it. I don't like electronics, so leave it to others The biggest two claims for not building your own track is Cost and Build Difficulty. Hopefully I can show a cost effective and simple way of providing an alternative to a H0 ready to lay product by showing what I think is a simple to build and inexpensive option for a scale model. I don't have any issue over the price so I think you have misunderstood or not read all the posts ahead of mine - the issue I had was people blathering on about the price of electricians and plumbers etc.......both often enforced purchases and thus ridiculous to make the labour comparison to paying somebody to build a turnout for your hobby and clearly a unenforced spend. Id have thought that was obvious when I said that its a great solution. No gripes from me youll be pleased to hear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 This thread title is a tad misleading. The thread focus is little to do with the C&L turnout, more along the lines of 'how to make a C&L turnout look-alike'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseHead Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The title accurately reflects where the thread started off. Recent posts may have taken it in (a) different direction(s), but that is the nature of the forum. C'est la vie ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 John - you are doing a great job, hopefully this will inspire some people to have a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 I don't have any issue over the price so I think you have misunderstood or not read all the posts ahead of mine - the issue I had was people blathering on about the price of electricians and plumbers etc.......both often enforced purchases and thus ridiculous to make the labour comparison to paying somebody to build a turnout for your hobby and clearly a unenforced spend. Id have thought that was obvious when I said that its a great solution. No gripes from me youll be pleased to hear. I am sorry about totally misunderstanding your post. Still I hope I have backed up your post The trouble with our hobby is so many specialist companies are small cottage industries, perhaps part time and working from home. When a business goes full time with staff and premisses the overheads escalate, so prices have to be adjusted. It is not until they become large companies that economies of scale kick in. One thing the hand built track detractors do is to spread a myth that track building is difficult and not something a normal modeller can either do or enjoy. Or you need a fully equipped workshop to build anything, To date other than use a jig which makes life easier I have only used a few basic tools that most modellers have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 26, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2016 and asbestos fingers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 This thread title is a tad misleading. The thread focus is little to do with the C&L turnout, more along the lines of 'how to make a C&L turnout look-alike'. Raymw Sorry for misleading you, I think if the thread kept on topic (but I think it nearly is) it would have stopped. Many like the idea of an 00 gauge turnout, however in this and other threads many have said they are priced out of using them, I have had the pleasure of seeing one first hand and have posted several photos of said turnout. Don't really understand the bit about a C+L look-alike All the parts I am using with the exception of the solvent, tracing paper, plan and double sided tape have all been bought from C+L. I have clearly stated why I have chosen the Exactoscale timbers over the C+L ones. The chairs used by C+L are Exactoscale which is what I am using, plus their advertising for the product they are using the (Exactoscale)" special chairs". If you hang in with the build hopefully you will see how easy it is to use the C+L/Exactoscale kits/parts which fits the pockets and abilities of most modellers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 and asbestos fingers... Tim That comes later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I always like to read modelling threads even if I will never use the ideas or products. With regrd to the C+L ready to lay point, I wish this company well. They have always produced a super looking RTL flexible track and it looks like it is even better now that it features slightly deeper sleepers and webbing that keeps it straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 Coachman Thanks, I think I have said there are those who like the modelling side of the hobby and those who like running their layout, nothing wrong with either. I must admit there are certain things I would like to afford, others I wish I could find (discontinued items). For me building track is therapeutic and a great pastime where you can shut yourself off from the outside world (golf pre-mobile phones was like that). One thing I think is missing from our hobby now against when I started in the early 60's is making things from scrap material (coal staves from used matchsticks etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Hi John, Not to be picky or anything but shouldn't that be a slab and bracket under the V nose? I can print one up for you if you want (exits stage left - running) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 John , great stuff. Looking forward to next installment Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Hi John, Not to be picky or anything but shouldn't that be a slab and bracket under the V nose? I can print one up for you if you want (exits stage left - running) Andy Not being picky at all, the A chairs in the packs are the very distinctive looking crossing nose chairs (I may have the wrong name for them as they may be the slab and bracket), I also mistook the C position block chair as it does not have the keys within the Vee. Sorry the photo is not as clear as it should be. Will try and tale one from a different angle Is the forth photo in post 101 any clearer ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Andy Not being picky at all, the A chairs in the packs are the very distinctive looking crossing nose chairs (I may have the wrong name for them as they may be the slab and bracket), I also mistook the C position block chair as it does not have the keys within the Vee. Sorry the photo is not as clear as it should be. Will try and tale one from a different angle Is the forth photo in post 101 any clearer ? Hi John, You know, looking at 101, I think it could be a slab and bracket. If there is a horizontal bolt running through the chair it likely is. (I only know about slab and bracket chairs because Martin pointed out that I wasn't using them on my 3D prints ) Best, Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2016 One thing I think is missing from our hobby now against when I started in the early 60's is making things from scrap material (coal staves from used matchsticks etc) If you take a look at the Westerham layout thread you'll find this is still alive and kicking, (coffee stick stirrers is one I think), with some wonderful modelling to boot. Have to say I was surprised to discover thanks to this thread that many consider it neccesary/essential to use a fully soldered crossing/wing rail unit when constructing trackwork. It has never entered my head that this was a generally held view, probably as like others I have never used them. Bond them electrically somehow yes, that's a neccesity. I always thought they just arrived as an alternative 'all-in-one' commercial unit for those unwilling/unable to fabricate their own, like producing point blades. Anyway, more power to your elbow, your doing a grand job of introducing modellers to the delights and satisfaction of making your own trackwork whatever constructional methods they may decide to use. Izzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2016 Copied from: http://www.pecopublications.co.uk/peco-anounces-2016-new-items-programme.html ____________________________ Peco announces 2016 new items programme Peco – which is celebrating its 70th anniversary this year – has revealed its plans for several new products in its 2016 Spring Report, which was published to coincide with the manufacturer’s presence at the recent Nürnberg Toy Fair in Germany. The manufacturer’s headline announcement is that it is developing brand new code 75 Streamline bullhead track for OO. The new flexible wooden-sleeper track (ref.SL-108F) will be representative of the type which was commonplace across the UK rail-network throughout the steam era, seeing use on both mainlines and secondary routes. Indeed, bullhead track can still be found today on some parts of the national network. The new bullhead track will be fully compatible with the firm’s existing code 75 flat-bottom Streamline range, but will feature proportionally greater spacing between the sleepers. Only plain track has been announced initially. However, if there is a positive reaction to its release then Peco may consider releasing pointwork in the future. _______________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2016 Best fit I can manage in Templot. Sleepers 32mm long at 9.3mm centres. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Nightmare journey home from work, or rather lack of it. Went out to the car and had a flat tire, I have one of the cars without a spare but a repair kit, but whilst the pump worked not enough to inflate the tyre but to flatten the battery. AA there in 15 mins, tyre inflated and went to a nearby tyre fitter, 2 new tyres We are going to a restaurant on Saturday night funded by work in recognition of all the extra effort I have put in over the past few months, generous allowance but earliest Saturday night booking was this Saturday, going to get a bill as I have to claim the money by Friday, still told by my senior manager to buy a very nice bottle of wine to go with the meal. Then I have a few jobs tidying up as we have a house viewing on Saturday Might get some time to model later Great news from Peco, will turnouts arrive later ? if so what size etc. I doubt if they will do things like B7's or gentle curves, but a great boost to the hobby and 32 mm long sleepers is my preference in 00 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Best fit I can manage in Templot. Sleepers 32mm long at 9.3mm centres. Martin. Very nice! I like the sleeper pitch, and the key side jaw looks appropriately chunky. I wish I knew what finally motivated Peco to do this but I think that will remain a dark secret. Mind you, I could always launch a few conspiracy theories just to stir things up a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mmmm, and I've lashed out on Peco Code 100. Still, if no matching bullhead point are available it is all academic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mmmm, and I've lashed out on Peco Code 100. Still, if no matching bullhead point are available it is all academic. People have been known to print matching bullhead points on 3D printers. (Maybe not quite as nice of course, but not too shabby either.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not so much done today, still a bit more done The very end set to 16.5 mm gauge and left over night to cure Using a steel rule from the two ends solvent stuck the chairs to the right of the arrow to 16.5 mm gauge, the rest of the chairs either side of the crossing which flare from 16.2 mm to 16.5 mm then stuck Next 4 slide chairs and the 3 half chairs from the switch pack superglued to the rail and stuck to the timbers with solvent. The other 2 slide chairs are not fitted until the switch rails are soldered to the tiebar 2 block chairs are now fitted (PL3 & PL4), there is a gap (PL2)and a slide chair where the stock rail is in a chair (PL1). The PL2 chair should be like the PL1 chair, but with the Exactoscale P4 kit there is no centre as the stock rail is fitted to the switch rail. The nect step is to make the PL2 chair An inside chair half is fitted The bolt detail is cut off and a slide chair is cut to length. This side is ready for the curved switch rail, but first the second stock rail needs forming and partial fitting. As on the straight rail initially it is set to 16.2 gauge through the crossing and left to set. Whilst the rail is setting I made a start on the straight switch rail, as with the Vee jig the switch rail jig is a great time saver. if only building a few turnouts just do it the manual method. If making a few worth the £38 and can be re-sold on after. It is not as easy as the Vee jig to use initially but once you get the hang 30 secs on this side to remove the head og the rail on this side 45 secs to file the rear, a little finishing to do then cutting to length before fitting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeeleyBridge Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Just a query about the gauge through the switch area. Is it 16.2 or 16.5? I intend to keep the working portion of my turnouts to 16.2, only increasing beyond the switch and any check rails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Just a query about the gauge through the switch area. Is it 16.2 or 16.5? I intend to keep the working portion of my turnouts to 16.2, only increasing beyond the switch and any check rails. It's 16.2 according to post 95. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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