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[leopardml2341]

Thanks Andy, I will be using the HMRS lining again for this one. Any ideas which of this group of low numbered 37xx batch were Scottish Region in 1970s by any chance?

Sadly none, at least in 1976 when the first Sc number was 3792. By 1978 rcts shows Sc3801 as the first.

 

Looks as though they were M or E at these dates.

[Signaller69]

Dia.92 TSO were 3700-3720, all initially LMR allocated (3700-5 in May '51 and 3706-20 in June '52)

The only info I have for the '70s is the 1979 Platform 5 book (correct to 18/6/79) - M3705, M3707, E3712, E3715, M3717 and M3718

Thanks, possibly ScR had got rid of theirs by that point? I have photo evidence of them running on internal trains in the 60s and early 70s, unless they were on loan possibly?

[Signaller69]

Sadly none, at least in 1976 when the first Sc number was 3792. By 1978 rcts shows Sc3801 as the first.

 

Looks as though they were M or E at these dates.

Looks like I will have to cheat and either pick a number on the offchance it MAY have been numbered as a Sc, or have an E or M "on loan", but keep it to yourself. . .

[keefer]

Keep forgetting I have the Longworth book! It says that 3704 was ScR 'by 1972', was withdrawn in Oct '75 and scrapped soon after.

Apart from that the only other ScR one was 3716 for 4 months in 1956!

[Signaller69]

Keep forgetting I have the Longworth book! It says that 3704 was ScR 'by 1972', was withdrawn in Oct '75 and scrapped soon after.

Apart from that the only other ScR one was 3716 for 4 months in 1956!

Bingo! We have a winner! 3704 it is then, a masterpiece of research my good Sir! Could be the same vehicle years apart in the 2 photos I have in all fairness as they were a pretty rare vehicle it would seem. You know its bad when you look at every passenger train photo hoping to see no centre step on a TSO!

 

Many thanks!

Martyn.

[keefer]

Thanks Martyn but if I'd remembered about the book I could've told you sooner hahaha.

I think another thing against them was they were some of the oldest vehicles, being introduced in 1951/2, so presumably at risk of the early corrosion problems as well as old age

[Signaller69]

Managed to get the sides lined this afternoon, just needs lettering now this is known, along with door handles etc.

[ISW]

Any ideas which of this group of low numbered 37xx batch were Scottish Region in 1970s by any chance?

The 1974 RCTS Coaching Stock Book has the following TSO 37xx listed as Sc:

SC3704/96/98/99/3800/01/04/07/17/18/26. 

 

The 1976 RCTS Coaching Stock Book had following TSO 37xx listed as Sc:

SC3792/96/98/99/3800/01/04/07/17/18.

 

By the time of the 1977 RCTS Coaching Stock Book they were down to:

SC3801/07/13.

 

In the 1980 RCTs Coaching Stock Book they were still:

SC3801/07/13

 

And by the 1981 RCTS Coaching Stock Book they were down to:

SC3801 only.

 

In all cases, the Sc ones were 64-seats (not 48-seats).

 

Ian

[davidw]

Really appreciate this thread. I've resided Bachmann mk1s to make BSO's, FO's, RB, RK, and RKBs. All maroon admire your patience for the blue grey. How did you get the lining so straight?

[Signaller69]

The 1974 RCTS Coaching Stock Book has the following TSO 37xx listed as Sc:

SC3704/96/98/99/3800/01/04/07/17/18/26.

 

The 1976 RCTS Coaching Stock Book had following TSO 37xx listed as Sc:

SC3792/96/98/99/3800/01/04/07/17/18.

 

By the time of the 1977 RCTS Coaching Stock Book they were down to:

SC3801/07/13.

 

In the 1980 RCTs Coaching Stock Book they were still:

SC3801/07/13

 

And by the 1981 RCTS Coaching Stock Book they were down to:

SC3801 only.

 

In all cases, the Sc ones were 64-seats (not 48-seats).

 

Ian

Thanks Ian, as with Keefer's reply this shows Sc3704 is pretty much the only confirmed Sc option from the Dia 92 batch 3700-20. Thankfully the interior I used is 64 seats!

[Signaller69]

Really appreciate this thread. I've resided Bachmann mk1s to make BSO's, FO's, RB, RK, and RKBs. All maroon admire your patience for the blue grey. How did you get the lining so straight?

Cheers David, it is one of the great things about this forum that if you don't know the answer to something, it is likely someone else will, and so it has been shown with this project. Such a supportive community on here I find.

 

Using Bachmann Mk.1s would certainly save a fair bit of work, not to mention being already flush glazed; but not wanting to spend much or potentially write off good Bachmann coaches I went for Plan "B" using Triang ones.

 

The lining is a faff I will be honest, and needs the blue/grey colours to have clean, straight and parallel edges to start with, which is the hardest part for me. The easiest way to get the lining straight is just a matter of applying it, removing, re-applying by eye, constantly checking it is right on the junction between colours, until happy, then press it down and wet it until the carrier floats off. It was easier with this TSO than the Triang body conversions as the etched sides are perfectly straight.

 

I may add another maroon coach or 2 next as I have a lot of lining left over for this colour scheme; thankfully even in 1970 there were still a fair few around.

 

Nice work on your thread by the way, nice variety of stock with the ex-LNER types to go with the Mk.1s.

 

Cheers,

Martyn.

[Signaller69]

The dia.92 TSO is completed. Lavatory window "frosting" is simply tissue paper (the sort used in packaging) layered onto matt varnish, which gives a fairly good representation I think; the same method as used on the BFK and BSO - it works just as well on SEF Flushglaze as it conforms to the shape of the glazing once soaked in varnish.

[davidw]

The dia.92 TSO is completed. Lavatory window "frosting" is simply tissue paper (the sort used in packaging) layered onto matt varnish, which gives a fairly good representation I think; the same method as used on the BFK and BSO - it works just as well on SEF Flushglaze as it conforms to the shape of the glazing once soaked in varnish.

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Brilliant. I've persuaded my self tht. I didn't need an RSO until I saw that!

[Signaller69]

Brilliant. I've persuaded my self tht. I didn't need an RSO until I saw that!

Thanks David, as you may have seen earlier, it was going to be a dia.56 RSO thanks to a case of mistaken identity on my part, but as a TSO it actually suits my needs more for the shorter trains I run on "Crinan".

[Signaller69]

To round off the coach projects of late, I have replaced the BSO interior seating with another modified and painted Replica TSO interior, as the spacing wasn't quite spot on with my home made effort, and some bowing was quite noticable.

 

And the BFK seating has had a repaint in charcoal grey colour of the mid-late 60s, primarily as the curtains on the prototype c.1970 were grey-green indicating the seating was presumably not orange at this time after all. (Yes, even BR still had taste at this point!) I did add paper curtains and antimacassars to the seat backs too, though the latter are all but invisible from normal viewing angles.

 

A few more road vehicles next!

[Signaller69]

The Leyland Macfisheries lorry now has its windscreen wipers using the old ruse of bent staples.

 

My other 2 MacBraynes buses have had a little work done; the EFE BET having the front wheels altered to a turning position to suit its parked position on "Crinan"; the Corgi OB has had destination blinds added on the roof dome (for the "Distillery" Tour); both have been matt varnished and a small amount of highlighting/weathering added, the OB just needing a coat of varnish on the roof dome to seal the homemade transfers. I am no bus expert but I suspect neither vehicle is a 100% faithful replica of the real vehicles, however the livery and finish is superb, much better than I could do with a kit, so rule 1 applies! Photos online show MacBraynes did have the odd OB even in the 70s, presumably being preserved as they still seem to be around, probably privately owned these days I imagine.

 

If only I could find space on "Crinan" for a small bus depot. . . !

[leopardml2341]

If only I could find space on "Crinan" for a small bus depot. . . !

Ah, just put 'em on a bridge, it'll be reet.

[keefer]

The coaches are looking really good Martyn.

 

I think the bright orange for 1st class decor/seating only came in with mk2 stock (2c or 2d), the original mk1 colours were much more sombre/tasteful

[Signaller69]

Ah, just put 'em on a bridge, it'll be reet.

Absolutely, sometimes put 2 on the bridge, is 3 overkill?

[Signaller69]

The coaches are looking really good Martyn.

 

I think the bright orange for 1st class decor/seating only came in with mk2 stock (2c or 2d), the original mk1 colours were much more sombre/tasteful

Thanks, it hadn't occurred to me that the orange may have come in with the Mk.2s to be honest, would make sense. Glad I changed it!

[Mad McCann]

Just a wee point of order with the McBraynes’ buses. Pretty sure they were bought over by Highland in 1970-1 so you’d probably want to reflect the transition in livery. I think the blue/red prevailed by about 1973.

 

D4

[Signaller69]

Just a wee point of order with the McBraynes’ buses. Pretty sure they were bought over by Highland in 1970-1 so you’d probably want to reflect the transition in livery. I think the blue/red prevailed by about 1973.

 

D4

Thanks for the info, yes I'd read they had been taken over around 1971, I've not looked into it in great detail, but as my period is c.1970 (broadly 1968-71), photos suggest the colours are in keeping with the time so I'm happy with them as they are. May be an idea for one to appear in "newer" colours at some stage though if I find a suitable model.

 

Cheers,

Martyn.

[Signaller69]

Discussion on the Dapol Class 21/29 Engineering Prototype elsewhere has prompted more work on my trio of 29s after studying a rather good "ex works" roof photo. I'm beginning to think my locos have been "in works" just as often as the real ones, though thankfully not with mechanical problems!

 

The latest task involves removing the longitudinal "grilles" (or catwalks) along the centre line of the roof which, whilst correct for the 21s, appear not to have been present on the 29s in later life**. Nothing very involved other than trimming, filling and sanding. My version of 6121 was first in for the work, followed by repainting the affected panels.

 

**Edit: In case anyone follows suit I should say I'm not 100% certain on this due to photo evidence being hard to determine conclusively, confirmation sought, see posts 352/353 below.

 

The roof panels on the 2-tone green locos appear to be different colours on different locos - I copied that from 6123 in the aforementioned photo - touching up required yet - but another Ex Works loco I have seen had a dark grey/black panel at the no.2 end with the others being light grey.

 

On the blue locos I'm not sure if the roof panels were blue or dark grey, not seen any evidence of light grey panels on this colour scheme as yet; In many photos it is impossible to tell what colour they are due to the accumulated filth which these locos seemed to display. Weathering will be added in due course, probably using the airbrush I have yet to try (and following practice, needless to say).

 

6107 is next in the queue followed by 6129.

 

Edit to add to text.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Signaller69

[leopardml2341]

Martyn,

 

Is there a chance that the roof panels are Fibreglass, often used as a means of getting (a little bit) more light into the engine room ?

[Signaller69]

Martyn,

 

Is there a chance that the roof panels are Fibreglass, often used as a means of getting (a little bit) more light into the engine room ?

Hi Andy,

I would imagine they could have been yes, it would make sense, just seems odd that a particular panel that was light grey on one loco was dark grey on another. Changes as the batch went through works possibly?