Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 16 Class 442s were stored just north of Ely. With 11 of these now at BM, that just leaves 2401, 2407, 2412, 2421 and 2422 to return south from The Fens. Wonder which pair will come down tomorrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Bear Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 A couple were at Selhurst today I think I notixed passing by? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Nicked from a Gen Forum ....................... although the SR ones' get moved around so may be out of dateCurrent Class 442 Status on 24/09/17Unit Number, Location or last known and Current Known TOC;442401 Ely Papworth Sidings SWR442402 Stewarts Lane Southern442403 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442404 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442405 Eastleigh TRSMD Grand Southern Railway442406 Eastbourne Southern442407 Ely Papworth Sidings SWR442408 Stewarts Lane Southern442409 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442410 Eastbourne Southern442411 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442412 Ely Papworth Sidings SWR442413 Eastbourne Southern442414 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442415 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442416 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442417 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442418 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442419 Eastbourne Southern442420 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442421 Ely Papworth Sidings SWR442422 Ely Papworth Sidings SWR442423 Bournemouth TRSMD SWR442424 Eastleigh TRSMD Grand Southern Railway Edited September 28, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Just noticed this, TOPs code SL = Stewarts Lane. " " SU = Selhurst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Only the one being delivered to BM today; 2422. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frappington Jct Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Only the one being delivered to BM today; 2422. I saw it going through Kentish Town this morning - sounded like the rear driving car had at least one nasty wheel flat on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Hi all, I'm sure I should know this, but what were all those 442s doing at Ely? Thanks, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Hi all, I'm sure I should know this, but what were all those 442s doing at Ely? Thanks, Bill Being stored after going off lease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Being stored after going off lease But why Ely (or indeed, why not...?). Do companies/organisations bid to store stock, hopefully securely? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) In 2016, Potter Logistics constructed some 5.7km of new track on 10 acres of their site just to the north east of Ely. 13 dead-end sidings were laid and this is where two-thirds of the Class 442 fleet have been stored following their demise on GatEx services. Basically it's like a big curving fiddle yard..... Edited September 28, 2017 by Peter Kazmierczak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2017 There was a rather good aerial view of the yard full of 442's somewhere on the web if you can find it. Rather impressive if I recall! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 According to reports on the FB Southern Electric Group, they are being fitted with new traction equipment, new brakes, new doors and losing the comfy chairs. According to my son's post on there, they are a complete waste of money as the bodies are rotten. The only saving grace is the very low lease cost. He should know as he was the GVT fleet engineer for the former BR fleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) How long is the franchise? The usual 7 year job? They won't have to last much beyond that, if that long. My money is on the 707s becoming sufficiently attractive a lease proposition that they'll end up being given more of an outer suburban interior and replacing the 442s at some point. Or one of the batches of 350s coming available. Edited September 29, 2017 by Zomboid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Here's the latest arrival (2422) tucked-up at Bournemouth with 2416. Note that 2422 still has the cover over the jumper cables. Edited September 29, 2017 by Peter Kazmierczak 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 According to reports on the FB Southern Electric Group, they are being fitted with new traction equipment, new brakes, new doors and losing the comfy chairs. According to my son's post on there, they are a complete waste of money as the bodies are rotten. The only saving grace is the very low lease cost. He should know as he was the GVT fleet engineer for the former BR fleet. Apart from the fact that there is probably no other stock available to hire to choose from, even though they are as rotten as brandy snaps it's still cheaper, (and faster?), to rebuild these than obtain new stock? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 All down to £££ in the end; no sentiment in train leasing. That said, these Mk3 body shells are 10 years younger than most of the HSTs currently running around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 According to reports on the FB Southern Electric Group, they are being fitted with new traction equipment, new brakes, new doors and losing the comfy chairs. According to my son's post on there, they are a complete waste of money as the bodies are rotten.The post in question has had its source questioned by the page admin. Probably just to confirm its origin as it seems to be a widely- held view that the 442s are to have a decent amount spent on them. My understanding is that tbeir Mk3 bodyshells are generally sound though require some love here and there as would be expected for vehicles their age. The traction gear is 1963-4 vintage having come from the 4Rep units so is surely life-expired now. Modern packages should be as close to "plug and play" as is practicable in the rail industry. The intention seems to be to create a fleet matching the 444s for speed and acceleration in order to optimise line capacity between Waterloo and Woking. If everything has the same acceleration and braking curves and makes the same stops (which these days is almost exclusively non-stop or Clapham Junction up loop only) then they can squeeze in a couple more trains. Re-equiping the 442s would also mean the proposed journey time reduction to Portsmouth is achievable through faster acceleration. It's not the easiest of lines to work but 5 - 8 minutes can probably come out easily enough. Provided they can slot in with other things iat Havant and Portcreek of course. With Vossloh repowering the 455 fleet and apparently flavour of the month perhaps we might see some of their kit shifting the Plastic Pigs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 And now, of course, it seems a shame no-one 'preserved' a REP sans motor, as if they're coming out of the 442s, they could have been put back in a 4REP... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 Although ironically the 455's being repowered are also being binned within a couple of years as well. Will be interesting to see where they wind up, replacing the 455's and 313's on Southern seems a fair bet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 Although ironically the 455's being repowered are also being binned within a couple of years as well. Will be interesting to see where they wind up, replacing the 455's and 313's on Southern seems a fair bet. 4-car and able to work as 8-car would be much better along the Sussex coast than 3-car unable to run as 6-car. But still no toilets. 455+456 for a 6-car would fit almost all platforms (not Aldrington, Fishersgate or East Worthing) and might bring back memories of 2-Bil and 4-Lav units. Except those did have a toilet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) You forgot Lancing, that is still four car as well. Don't know about the East as I don't go there, yet.... The Coastway West has always traditionally had cast off rolling stock from elsewhere, the three car 377's were just a blip... One suggestion has been take the ex Class 508 trailers out of the 455/7's and drop them into some 313's to make a four car, they are after all the same PEP body profile. Edited September 30, 2017 by John M Upton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 My understanding is that tbeir Mk3 bodyshells are generally sound though require some love here and there as would be expected for vehicles their age. Indeed - these are virtually the youngest Mk3 body shells of all - granted they've worked hard during their lives and storage is always detrimental to equipment but why would they be rotten as suggested above ................ The original EE546 traction motors are virtually indestructible and would still be ideal at delivering the output from any modern traction package, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 A path has been established for transferring the Class 442s (diesel hauled) from Bournemouth to Eastleigh for refurbishment: BM Depot 10.10 Poole Sidings 10.25 - 10.53 Eastleigh Yard 12.30 - 12.40 Eastleigh Works 12.46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted October 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2017 Indeed - these are virtually the youngest Mk3 body shells of all - granted they've worked hard during their lives and storage is always detrimental to equipment but why would they be rotten as suggested above ................ The original EE546 traction motors are virtually indestructible and would still be ideal at delivering the output from any modern traction package, But would they be compatible with regenerative braking ? We hear how the 800s are designed around friction braking only coming into play at very low speeds / emergencies as this reduces wear / the frequency of replacement of brake pads / discs / calipers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) But would they be compatible with regenerative braking ? We hear how the 800s are designed around friction braking only coming into play at very low speeds / emergencies as this reduces wear / the frequency of replacement of brake pads / discs / calipers. That's a good question but would there actually be any need for it as they have a perfectly good friction braking system ? On slightly more recent developments - these are rumoured to be 442's working under their own power tomorrow ................................ http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K13613/2017/10/02/advanced http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K79502/2017/10/02/advanced EDIT - correcting nonsense Edited October 1, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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