Portchullin Tatty Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 A set for me too, presuming that they will be the same for the 21/29 - sorry, the class 22 are a bit to SW for me (by around 700 miles!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome_whistle Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'll take a set in P4 too -this could be the start of something big!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi everyone, I have asked China to quote me for the P4 wheel sets for the class 22, and they have come back to me with a tooling and unit price. The unit price would be for 8 wheels on axles of £19.95 per set. However to allow Dapol to break even on the deal we need to cover our tooling costs, and this would mean selling 350 sets. (This covers tooling and the unit costs of the 350 sets) Now, not knowing of the demand for these wheels, we can only judge by how many names come forward so i'm hoping. (fingers crossed emoticon). cheers Dave See post #612. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 See post #612. At the point Dave requested a price from China for production Ultrascale had said that it would be problematical and not viable. In the meantime they've obviously been trying to have a rethink which has crossed over with Dave being able to provide a price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi chaps, Reading that Ultrascale might be having this rethink, i'll withdraw from the field pending their decision, as they are a specialist in this part of the market and i will respect their business. cheers Dave 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted November 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi chaps, Reading that Ultrascale might be having this rethink, i'll withdraw from the field pending their decision, as they are a specialist in this part of the market and i will respect their business. cheers Dave In view of the above, can those members that have expressed an interest in the Dapol option please ensure you have registered an interest with http://www.ultrascale.co.uk/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 29, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2011 In view of the above, can those members that have expressed an interest in the Dapol option please ensure you have registered an interest with http://www.ultrascale.co.uk/ Done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinzaboy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hi Here's a photo of D6331 all-valanced-up and ready to go! The valances come in 10 separate pieces (5 each side) and are numbered on the back so that, armed with the instructions, you know which part goes where. They are a simple push-fit between the chassis and the body.The middle piece on each side (Number 3) will not stay in place for love nor money, so I have used a small piece of blu tack to secure them in place. I have not used the headcodes supplied with the model as they don't look quite right to my eyes, so I've fitted my own. No idea what 9F12 is or was but it looks OK to me! Cheers Tim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Yes,all three classes had the same wheels, so would certainly spread the load. Dave, was their any interest in people wanting EM wheelsets? I'd certainly be down for a few sets of them. I think we need to be a bit cautious about the D600's when it comes to wheel sizes. I certainly agree that the wheel sizes on the D6100 and D6300 series locomotives were the same size (3ft 7"), but with the D600's, as with the class 31's the inner carrying axles on the A1A bogies were a tad smaller. The D600's had a very large hollow bogie pivot to accommodate the drive system. I believe the outer drive wheels were 3ft 7" diameter, and the inner idler wheel was 3ft 3 and a half inches. Edited November 30, 2011 by Baby Deltic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The D600's had a very large hollow bogie pivot to accommodate the drive system. I believe the outer drive wheels were 3ft 7" diameter, and the inner idler wheel was 3ft 3 and a half inches. That's certainly what the database on the CLAG website says BD - Class 31 bogies had the same diameter wheels as the 42. http://www.clag.org.uk/wheelbase.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I have not used the headcodes supplied with the model as they don't look quite right to my eyes, so I've fitted my own. No idea what 9F12 is or was but it looks OK to me! Although I'd need to check what the typeface on those headcodes were (rather than the normal Gill Sans you've used there) it looks all the better for it. Good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Nice pic Tim . Regarding your valances, I'm surprised you're having trouble with the centre pieces, mine fit very well, all round on both sides...... might be worth giving Dapol a buzz to see if replacements are available (unless it's the small 'studs' located on the chassis moulding that are at fault?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2011 I think we need to be a bit cautious about the D600's when it comes to wheel sizes. I certainly agree that the wheel sizes on the D6100 and D6300 series locomotives were the same size (3ft 7"), but with the D600's, as with the class 31's the inner carrying axles on the A1A bogies were a tad smaller. The D600's had a very large hollow bogie pivot to accommodate the drive system. I believe the outer drive wheels were 3ft 7" diameter, and the inner idler wheel was 3ft 3 and a half inches. Those are the diameters quoted in the Diagram Book so you are correct (or the Diagram Book is also wrong - which I doubt). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2011 Very pleased with mine when inspected in the shop today, ran very well on the shops test track too. Was going to fit the valances etc. tonight but have been distracted by my goods shed. Interesting to note that of the 8 x D6331 ordered by my local model shop in Exeter, his allocation was 5. This has meant he has met all his customer orders, but a colleague who works there has had to forego his order, plus there are none for sale 'above the counter' at the moment... He had been told that the other versions would arrive in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2011 Just DCC chipped my model tonight it runs even smoother than on DC and less motor sound. Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skin_2 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) I originally pre-ordered D6331 from Kernow when it was being offered in plain green, then they changed the catalogue to refelect that D6331 would now have small yellow ends which was fine as would have suited my layout period quite well. D6331 then disppeared totally from Kernow's online catalogue so I rang to as what was going on and i got told by Kernow that D6331 was not going to be available after all and that I should choose one of the other numbers instead. It now seems that I was misinformed so presumably it's going to be some time before I get one. Edited December 1, 2011 by Mod6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I originally pre-ordered D6331 from Kernow when it was being offered in plain green, then they changed the catalogue to refelect that D6331 would now have small yellow ends which was fine as would have suited my layout period quite well. D6331 then disppeared totally from Kernow's online catalogue so I rang to as what was going on and i got told by Kernow that D6331 was not going to be available after all and that I should choose one of the other numbers instead. It now seems that I was misinformed so presumably it's going to be some time before I get one. The problem was that the prototype D6331 never appeared in all over green with the headcode boxes fitted, so to release it as such would have been a mistake, for both Kernow and Dapol. The bodyshell they've gone with for this first set of releases precludes any all over green ones I'm afraid, but the disc headcode version they will do at some point will be fine for this livery. Don't give up! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2011 Ran mine in today at the club took it home and chipped it, runs like a dream virtually no noise from the motor at all, I would be interested in knowing what headcodes you used Pinzaboy, did you just stick them on the front or behind the clear plastic. I was wondering if there was a source that explained the headcode meanings in simple terms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hi there For headcodes take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_reporting_number. However the last two digits are route specific identifying trains on a given route. Studying photos 8.50 and 8.51 look pukka for D6331 and D6320 when they operated in the Gloucester area in the late 60's - early 70s which leads me to believe that these were the codes for the local Gloucester trip workings. For other areas suggest you study photos or better still get hold of a working time table for your area - they are a mine of info! Kind regards Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 As locos go it is a fine product that has excellent running qualities and simple robust packaging. The only faults would be that in the instructions showing the disposition of the various train brakes etc on the buffer beams is far from clear in the picture. Also the stick-on headcode box transfers look very unconvincing; they are too small and do not stand out sufficently. When these are replaced by Heljan ones the loco really 'comes to life' and you realise what a good job the manufacturer has done. Overall tho it looks like a winner! Roll on the disc version! Oh yes an O gauge would be mmmmmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90211 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Contrary to all the praise on this forum, I am far from happy with the running quality of my 22. When first run it was very noisy and after about 2 hours running in it improved slightly and it was then put away until I had more time. Today has been the first opportunity to really test it and as the day has gone on it has not improved. The main problem appears to be noise from the gears, it sounds like a Mainline 42 that is past its prime! It is certainly the noisiest loco in my fleet. Am I the only one who has this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Contrary to all the praise on this forum, I am far from happy with the running quality of my 22. When first run it was very noisy and after about 2 hours running in it improved slightly and it was then put away until I had more time. Today has been the first opportunity to really test it and as the day has gone on it has not improved. The main problem appears to be noise from the gears, it sounds like a Mainline 42 that is past its prime! It is certainly the noisiest loco in my fleet. Am I the only one who has this problem? Have you tried lubricating the drive train a bit? I think the data sheet explains how to remove the bottom of the gear casing and lubricate the gears. Edited December 4, 2011 by Baby Deltic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90211 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Yes, I have had both bogie frames off and the gears are all well lubricated. There is a large amount of side play in the intermediate gear shafts but this does not appear to be the cause of the noise. I found one of the wires from the pickups was touching the carden shaft coupling and I have bent this out of the way which reduced the noise a bit but I am now faced with either dismantling the chassis to open up the bogies or sending it back. I have been waiting so long for this loco that I can't begin to describe how dissapointed I am! The other factor is that I am not too sure that there would be a replacement available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Hi 90211, i am sorry to hear of your dissapointment regarding your model. Can i suggest this solution to your problem? In less than a month i have some more green SYWP through, and i have some that i can use as spares. My suggestion is that you enjoy your model for now, noise and all, and PM me just before Christmas and i'll arrange a chassis swap for you with one thats quieter? Please PM me and let me know if thats ok for you? cheers Dave 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Well Dave, I'm seriously impressed! You can't ask for more that that could you? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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