RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) I don’t think Hornby will do an 86 so soon. They need to get money back off there 87 tooling first. I’d bet something left field for modern image before another electric... I wouldnt put Hornby past doing a Class 55 or a class 180 or even a class 104 (Hornby are a bit light on DMUs). They also don’t tend towards doing families of models all at once, but instead seem to focus size across regions in periods of years (Drummond 700 &j15 / king & Duchess etc), although they have done A1,3,4 and Star, Castle and King.. it took many years to get them ! Similarly given the proximity of a Grange to a Manor or a Hall to a Saint it’s not a big step to imagine Hornby doing these, especially as the Grange and Hall are now a few years older. Indeed with Dapol announcement of a 51xx/43xx the chances of a Hornby Manor in 2018 are high, but if not it could be a Mexican Standoff on the Manor for a few years as Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol all would only need baby steps to make a manor (a body, and front pony truck for Dapol, just a body for Hornby, and Bachmann a new chassis)... so it’s a matter of who pulls the trigger first but they could all just sit on their hands looking at each other or even end up a three way shoot out ! Edited December 22, 2017 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle50043 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 is this model going to have the terrible under-body Hornby-style coupling ? rather than the better option of on the end of the bogie....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted December 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2017 is this model going to have the terrible under-body Hornby-style coupling ? rather than the better option of on the end of the bogie....? Yes, Hornby rep said at Warley that it will have the usual close coupling mech Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Yes, Hornby rep said at Warley that it will have the usual close coupling mech Andi bearing in mind how much Class 87s were used on push-pull services with DVTs ... how well does the usual close coupling mechanism cope with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanbasher Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wondering if anyone is aware if Hornby will be addressing the light issue on this loco? By this I mean will we be able to switch the lights off on one end if doing a push pull working for example? I should have asked Hornby at Warley when I attended but alas I couldn't get close to anyone owing to the crowds. All that would be needed would be a switch underneath to isolate the lights on A or B end so they weren't illuminated when pushing stock. Cheers All. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wondering if anyone is aware if Hornby will be addressing the light issue on this loco? By this I mean will we be able to switch the lights off on one end if doing a push pull working for example? I should have asked Hornby at Warley when I attended but alas I couldn't get close to anyone owing to the crowds. All that would be needed would be a switch underneath to isolate the lights on A or B end so they weren't illuminated when pushing stock. Cheers All. Indeed. With model headlights being so bright, they are obvious even in quite bright ambient light. Once upon a time, tail lights were the same but at least now they are usually switchable, so there is no glow cast on the leading coach from a non-existent fire when a diesel or electric is hauling a train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejab95 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Made up to see a Virgin Trains Class 87 and matching DVT in the 2018 range! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Made up to see a Virgin Trains Class 87 and matching DVT in the 2018 range! I was a bit surprised there isnt a matching Intercity Swallow DVT being produced at the same time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejab95 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I was a bit surprised there isnt a matching Intercity Swallow DVT being produced at the same time Agreed, but at least it means I won't go hungry in 2018! I'm already likely getting the Bachmann Virgin 47, Swallow 87, Virgin 87 and possibly a Virgin DVT - The wallet probably won't handle much more this year! I'm almost certain it'll appear in the 2019 range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) I was a bit surprised there isnt a matching Intercity Swallow DVT being produced at the same timeBut the mk3’s were HST intercity livery, for the HST set (no buffers etc ). At least there’s hope in 2019 that any IC DVT might paint match the Oxford Rail loco hauled MK3’s. Whilst there might be two lots of mk3’s in the 2018 ranges of Oxford and Hornby, but apart from 3 Virgin mk3’s in Oxfords Range they are not overlapping releases. Note no dean goods or radial in 2018 either though both are quite definitely over done. Edited January 8, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) The virgin class 87 will be very welcome. I will now have something to haul the new OxfordRail Virgin loco hauled Mk3s! I just hope the OxfordRail livery matches the Hornby one. Edited January 8, 2018 by scottrains29 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Trusting that the Virgin 87 will have the roof mounted fire suppression tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47423 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Trusting that the Virgin 87 will have the roof mounted fire suppression tanks.Just the question I was going to ask! Wonder if they are available anywhere if they are not included. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just the question I was going to ask! Wonder if they are available anywhere if they are not included. No need to worry, they’re included... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 I wonder if anyone could bring out limited editions such as the "Back the Bid" loco 87012 or - dare I say even though they should be in HO - the locos sold to Bulgaria https://bulgarianrailways.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/picture1.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47423 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) No need to worry, they’re included...Thanks Edited January 9, 2018 by 47423 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 fair bit of scope for limited runs on these models so lets hope some retailers are thinking on here..........personally I would like to see 87006 in its 1984 experimental grey livery with brecknell willis pan. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just the question I was going to ask! Wonder if they are available anywhere if they are not included. http://www.petersspares.com/shawplan-dp8702-class-87-roof-mounted-inergen-fire-protection-tanks-pk2-oo-gauge.ir But there's absolutely no way Hornby would omit them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Trusting that the Virgin 87 will have the roof mounted fire suppression tanks. Just the question I was going to ask! Wonder if they are available anywhere if they are not included. Are you'll referring to the tanks on the roof? If so it's clearly visible in the image on their website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 But the mk3’s were HST intercity livery, for the HST set (no buffers etc ). At least there’s hope in 2019 that any IC DVT might paint match the Oxford Rail loco hauled MK3’s. Whilst there might be two lots of mk3’s in the 2018 ranges of Oxford and Hornby, but apart from 3 Virgin mk3’s in Oxfords Range they are not overlapping releases. Note no dean goods or radial in 2018 either though both are quite definitely over done. I thing the DVT in question is a Mk3B DVT hot an HST DVT. The Swallow Mk3B version has been unavailable for some time & 2nd hand ones are difficult to find. Oxford's Mk3A is specifically that, not a generic Mk3/3A like we have previously seen. (So I'm told...because apart from the buffers, I wouldn't know the difference anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 The roof mounted tanks are visible on the image in Febs Railway Modeller mag. Got an email today from RAILS to say the 87 pre-order price has..........."reduced" to £129.50 well i'll take that. Thumbs up to them as you don't hear that very often these days. I think it was only £134.50 before so its a small fiver saving but it all helps and a sub £130 tag just feels more wallet friendly. I can maybe buy a circle of track with that to run it on ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Wish Hornby would use much more realistic toned down wheels rather than shiny toy like variants. Or at least do what Bachmann do and paint the side of the wheel black to match the bogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpearce Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Is there any news on an exact release date after the catalogue launches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hornby website showing R3580 (BR Blue) as a February release, R3582 (InterCity Swallow) as a March release. R3656 (Virgrin) is showing as a July release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) I have ordered the blue 87 (no orange cant rail stripe and a Crossarm pan) but want the Bachmann Class 90 90005 in Intercity. Would these locos have crossed paths during the sector changes? Just wondering if by the time the Class 90s came along were all the 87s running on Brecknell Willis pantographs by then and maybe would had received orange cant rail stripes too......were the blue 87s long gone when the 90s came in? I think the model Hornby are releasing was around in that state until about 1979-1981. I know I could get the Inter City 87 which would certainly be into the same sector era as the 90 but didn't fancy that 87 model. My ideal models of the 87 are early blue with high speed pan and orange stripe then executive livery. The profile pic of the virgin 87 in the latest Model Rail magazine looks great. the model just looks solid and heavy and beautifully finished. Edited January 12, 2018 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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