Hornby Class 87 - Confirmed Newly Tooled Version for 2017 !

[Classsix T]

I can't wait for it

Gnnng! Yes you flaming well can...sigh.

 

Can't wait to receive mine.

There's another one! You will HAVE to wait, and guess what, you will COPE!

 

C6T.

 

This isn't a dig at the Gentlemen quoted BTW, merely their choice of words which I'm finding increasingly annoying in common parlance to something that...well, enough of that, I'm off for a lie down...

Edited May 21, 2018 by Classsix T

[ThaneofFife]

yes do

 

Gnnng! Yes you flaming well can...sigh.

There's another one! You will HAVE to wait, and guess what, you will COPE!

C6T.

This isn't a dig at the Gentlemen quoted BTW, merely their choice of words which I'm finding increasingly annoying in common parlance to something that...well, enough of that, I'm off for a lie down...

 

not sure why some people still waste their energy telling others here that they have to "simply must wait" for a model or that "its a model train and not essential to life".

......in all probability they probably already know full well these valuable snippets of tremendous insightful info from our fellow educational members LOL.

 

I foresee the Virgin model being released ahead of Xmas.   Its bound to be a popular stocking filler type model.   I highly doubt a model that's signed off will be held back for 1 year.  That just seems crazy.   

 

I wonder who will be first out of the blocks with a special commission run of 87s?  

 

Hopefully spares will be improved so too we see an executive liveried 87 next year.

[Dagworth]

I do sometimes wonder if Bachmann is its own worst enemy with livery choices. They regularly leave what most of us think will be the most popular liveries to later production runs, presumably hoping we'll buy one of the first releases and them what we really want later. With prices what they are now, I suspect many like me cannot afford to do that any more, and so Bachmann sees fewer sales and then questions whether to produce other liveries at all in case they don't sell either.

I had exactly this conversation a couple of times at the weekend, manufacturers put out the bloody awful one-off liveries and not the standard BR blue one that the whole fleet ran in for 20 years, so when the one-off gets reduced we all buy it so we can repaint it blue. When they finally do get the blue one released three years later all those of us that would have killed for a blue one at full price have got a fleet of resprays. Then the manufacturer says that blue ones don't sell...

 

Grrrr

 

Andi

[adb968008]

 

I wonder who will be first out of the blocks with a special commission run of 87s?  

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Various sources have suggested, Kernow’s 31/50’s aside, that commissions have been cancelled going forwards.

[brushman47544]

Various sources have suggested, Kernow’s 31/50’s aside, that commissions have been cancelled going forwards.

 

Yet Kernow has just announced another run of their Limited Edition Mk3 sleepers in GWR livery. That can only have been agreed very recently as its because the first run sold out so quickly.

Edited May 22, 2018 by brushman47544

[GordonC]

Various sources have suggested, Kernow’s 31/50’s aside, that commissions have been cancelled going forwards.

 

It would seem a bit daft if someone wants to pay Hornby for a batch and they have the tooling sat there to not sell 500 models at the click of a finger ... it would sound like easy money (with obvious restrictions perhaps of adding them on to a catalogue run to reduce setup costs at the factory)

[adb968008]

It would seem a bit daft if someone wants to pay Hornby for a batch and they have the tooling sat there to not sell 500 models at the click of a finger ... it would sound like easy money (with obvious restrictions perhaps of adding them on to a catalogue run to reduce setup costs at the factory)

Agreed. My source was a horses mouth, a rather big horse, in the literal sense that is... he’d clobber me if I really called him a horse.

I digress.

 

I understand an 87 was planned as a limited edition but then unplanned. Time will tell but whilst other manufacturers all over are taking this business, it’s been rather quiet in the sunny south east.

Edited May 22, 2018 by adb968008

[Mike at C&M]

We asked about a limited edition 87 from Hornby. We are politely declined, and told to keep an eye on future Hornby main range announcements in the future. Hornby's decision was not taken because they are not doing special commissions.

[MGR Hooper!]

We asked about a limited edition 87 from Hornby. We are politely declined, and told to keep an eye on future Hornby main range announcements in the future. Hornby's decision was not taken because they are not doing special commissions.

Most likely that they intend on doing the said model as a general release then.

[adb968008]

Most likely that they intend on doing the said model as a general release then.

Or they intend to start their own range of limited editions. (Like Lima in the 1990’s), or perhaps another retailer has commissioned some bulk deal on a range of editions from Hornby ?

 

But as the SECR 263 ltd edition is now a year long journey, you might need rocking chair and cushion for the wait.

Edited May 23, 2018 by adb968008

[Magna Junction]

 

Looks like the head of the pantograph has movement, doesn't seem to be level.

 

Can't wait for the executive livery version was the best livery carried by the class!

[ThaneofFife]

Snagging issues aside though its great to see new catenary and new AC loco models coming along now........roll on the Class 90 and the aircons coaches......

 

WCML modellers/enthusiasts have never had it so good in 00.

 

Cant wait to get my new 87.   I take it the loco data panels show the correct respective top speeds of 100mph for the Blue version and 110mph for the later Inter-City version - has anybody been able to spot that to confirm?

 

Electrics don't sell - can we finally put that old wives tale to rest now on this or does anybody still think they have an argument?

[adb968008]

Electrics don't sell - can we finally put that old wives tale to rest now on this or does anybody still think they have an argument?

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/40104/31-679-WSL-Bachmann-Class-85-AL5-Electric-Locomotive-E3095

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/60709/Bachmann_Branchline_31_679_Class_85_AL5_Bo_Bo_Electric_E3095_BR_Electric_Blue_with_small_yellow_panel/StockDetail.aspx

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22394/Bachmann-31-679-oo-gauge-type-al5-class-85-electric-e3095-br-electric-blue-small-yellow-panel

 

The two previous editions in Blue were the same.

 

 

Unlike the Peckett, Duchess, Merchant Navy ... the new 87 is still available to pre-order before release at Hornby.

 

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/locomotives/locomotives-by-class/class-87.html

 

I’m excited it’s coming and it’ll be a good release but will it sell like class 47s... or is it just filling a gap in the 60-90’s modern image market as everything else has been done and prices are now at a point where they are viable ?

 

I’ll believe in AC electrics selling out and mass popularity when I see the badger in a rtr OO box.

Edited May 26, 2018 by adb968008

[wombatofludham]

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/40104/31-679-WSL-Bachmann-Class-85-AL5-Electric-Locomotive-E3095

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/60709/Bachmann_Branchline_31_679_Class_85_AL5_Bo_Bo_Electric_E3095_BR_Electric_Blue_with_small_yellow_panel/StockDetail.aspx

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22394/Bachmann-31-679-oo-gauge-type-al5-class-85-electric-e3095-br-electric-blue-small-yellow-panel

 

The two previous editions in Blue were the same.

 

 

Unlike the Peckett, Duchess, Merchant Navy ... the new 87 is still available to pre-order before release at Hornby.

 

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/locomotives/locomotives-by-class/class-87.html

 

I’m excited it’s coming and it’ll be a good release but will it sell like class 47s... or is it just filling a gap in the 60-90’s modern image market as everything else has been done and prices are now at a point where they are viable ?

 

I’ll believe in AC electrics selling out and mass popularity when I see the badger in a rtr OO box.

 

 

 

Means nothing

 

 

https://anticsonline.uk/N425/N1731/N631_Green-Era-Diesel-Locos/13482_Bachmann-BR-E3095-Type-AL5-Class-85-Electric-Locomotive-Electric.html

http://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/p/16065/Type-AL5-Electric-E3095-BR-Electric-Blue-Small-Yellow-Panel

https://www.track-shack.com/acatalog/Bachmann-31-679-Type-AL5-Electric-E3095-BR-Electric-Blue-Small-Yellow-Panel-Bachmann-31-679.html

http://fromemodelcentre.com/31-679-Bachmann-oo-class-85-al5-bo-bo-electric-e3095-br-electric-blue-with-small-yellow-panel.html

 

Yet:

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/34449/Bachmann_Branchline_31_127_Class_30xx_2_8_0_ROD_3023_in_BR_black_with_early_emblem/StockDetail.aspx

£69 versus £129.95rrp

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/60894/Bachmann_Branchline_35_075_Class_E4_Brighton_tank_0_6_2_579_in_LB_SCR_umber/StockDetail.aspx

A pre-grouping tank - supposedly the next big thing for OO - £80 versus £109.95rrp

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/22363/Bachmann-31-690-oo-gauge-lms-stanier-mogul-class-2965-lms-lined-black

£99.50 instead of £159.95

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/25536/dj-models-ooj94-004-oo-gauge-class-j94-0-6-0-steam-locomotive-8023-lner-with-original-bunker-height

£54.50 instead of £95.50, and not the dated Hornby version either.

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/25800/Hornby-r3233-oo-gauge-lner-black-4-4-0-d16-3-class-pre-1948-locomotive-8825

The Claude everyone was cooing about from Hornby, £69.50 instead of £109.50

 

I could go on. On the evidence I've just posted from the two box shifters engaged in a nuclear-arms race price war, black freight steam, pre-grouping steam, small cute Great Eastern 4-4-0s and industrial saddle tanks clearly don't sell, otherwise they wouldn't be discounted by up to 40% or more.

 

On the other hand it might be just as likely that both Hattons and Rails have got compromising photos of their Hornby and Bachmann reps with some local evening horizontal leisure consultants and are threatening to put them up on Flickr unless the get big discounts.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again and keep saying it until people engage their brains and stop thinking that reduced prices in one or two big box shifters equals a distress sale, neither Hornby, teetering on the brink of financial oblivion, nor Bachmann whose production planning schedule resembles the winner of the Man Booker prize for fiction, would commit hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of investment in new Class 87 and 90 models, and take up precious production slots, if they thought that, in the case of Bachmann, the 85 had been such a sales lemon they'd be better off bringing forward something else in the holding stack, or in the case of Hornby, if they could bang out another little industrial or something big green and named and keep their bank manager happy. Hard nosed business wonks have committed hard earned cash and unicorn-precious production slots to new AC electrics including another banger blue Class 85. What the two northern train hypermarkets bang them out at is neither here or there.

Edited May 26, 2018 by wombatofludham

[napierlion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOZR9HPjyc&t=0s

 

Looks like the head of the pantograph has movement, doesn't seem to be level.

 

Can't wait for the executive livery version was the best livery carried by the class!

That looks very impressive! I am having the Intercity version. Hopefully not too long to wait now!

 

All the best

Charles

[Rob F]

That looks very impressive! I am having the Intercity version. Hopefully not too long to wait now!

 

All the best

Charles

I hope the pantograph head position is just an issue with this example. It would be a real shame if they all look like this as otherwise it looks to be a really good model.

 

Rob

[ThaneofFife]

the blue yellow and roof grey paints look to be a good match against the Bachmann 85 too with which this one will most likely spend much of its time

[newbryford]

I hope the pantograph head position is just an issue with this example. It would be a real shame if they all look like this as otherwise it looks to be a really good model.

 

Rob

 

It's not just the 87, the 85 shown a few seconds earlier has the same issue.

[MGR Hooper!]

Anyone knows why the Class 85 and Class 87s pantograph shoes are at an angle? Is there any fix for that? Never seen it happen before on model trains. A bit lube on it?

[Gordon H]

It often happens on models due to a combination of reasons.

Firstly, the use of sectional overhead wires is prone to cause mechanical discontinuities in the flat surface the pan head should encounter. A continuous contact wire is much better in this regard, with the minimum number of joints used, typically only across baseboard joints.

On the 85, its problems are due to the pan head linkage being incorrectly implemented, meaning that although it has a means of maintaining the head position, it does not have the true pantograph action required, i.e. the head should always be parallel to the base throughout its movement.

On the 87 model, the cross-arm probably has no means of maintaining head position, other than upward pressure, where a kind of triangle is formed between the front and rear pan head cross members and the pivot point below, i.e. the slightest drag on the leading edge is likely to tip the head backwards. This is where a continuous smooth contact wire wins every time.

The same can happen with scratchbuilt pantographs - which is how I know - and any tendency for the head to tip backwards is a sure sign of a mechanical problem with the catenary which therefore needs fixing.

[wombatofludham]

I must admit I'd not really thought about the pan head and as I'm going to have to have discontinuous OHLE I suspect I will end up fixing the pans in place. Still, the cross-arm on the blue 87 looks stunning compared to the Italian parts bin job the old 87 had.

 

Really looking forward to these models and let's hope the obvious shoo-in 86 announcement isn't far behind.

[newbryford]

 

Really looking forward to these models and let's hope the obvious shoo-in 86 announcement isn't far behind.

 

Surely that will depend on AC electrics selling..........

 

[jjb1970]

The pan head issue on the Bachmann Class 85 is a known problem, a bit of a demerit for an otherwise superlative model.

[cravensdmufan]

Really looking forward to these 87s too.

 

The photo on pages 30/31 in June Hornby Magazine shows Bachmann's 85 026 and Hornby's new 87 035 side by side.  The shade of BR blue looks about the same on both and therefore spot on.(I reckon my 85 is perfect).

 

So hopefully Hornby's really dark blue that was used on some previous models has been consigned to history.

 

Edit - sorry just read ThaneofFifes post #1062!  I should pay more attention at the back of the class - as I was repeatedly told all those years ago!

Edited May 27, 2018 by cravensdmufan

[vanbasher]

Now that the model is hopefully just over a month from release I thought I'd better pose the question again to anyone who might be in the know. Having read the review in full in Hornby magazine it states that the Blue 87035 has a switch present to flit between Night & Day light running. However on Hattons website the description for 87010 in Intercity states that the user can manually switch the tail lights on/off. Please can anyone in the know shed any light on this? If there will not be a way to deactivate lights then I'll have to go down the road of DCC fitting & hardwiring the lights. Many thanks all, I wait in anticipation for this model.