royaloak Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Shameless brag but hey- I had the pleasure of taking 43177, 41012 and 43176 from Plymouth to Bristol last Wednesday as they left the franchise, 4500hp and 174 tonnes, great fun! Got stopped a few times so 'needed' to use the acceleration to make up the lost time, honest, not for any other reason at all! Edited October 14, 2018 by royaloak 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Looks like the off lease buffets will be en route from Laira to Landore on Wednesday with the power cars coming back on Thursday, shame really as most of them are in very good condition having never been used in service since repaint, I am sure the local Swansea residents will 'amend' the livery accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What a waste of perfectl useful rolling stock . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Shameless brag but hey- I had the pleasure of taking 43177, 41012 and 43176 from Plymouth to Bristol last Wednesday as they left the franchise, 4500hp and 174 tonnes, great fun! Got stopped a few times so 'needed' to use the acceleration to make up the lost time, honest, not for any other reason at all! Must have gone like the proverbial "... off a shovel"! The ScotRail sets seem to be able to regain time a bit as well. One service was 9 down at Leuchars and 1 EARLY by Haymarket! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 And here are some views taken today (17 October 2018) of the 16:39 from Dyce to Edinburgh Waverley. Is the combined first class + buffet coach (code TGFB, vehicle number 40601) a new type? The power cars were 43183 and 43033. Thanks, Bill 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 That looks like an inter city train should look like the new livery suits the coaches and from pictures of the interiors the passengers in Scotland are better off than those on the GWR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 That looks like an inter city train should look like the new livery suits the coaches and from pictures of the interiors the passengers in Scotland are better off than those on the GWR. It also accelerated out of the station like a rocket... Bill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 It also accelerated out of the station like a rocket... Bill 13hp-per-ton certainly gives them some oomph! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Small update - a single booked return trip from Aberdeen to Edinburgh on Saturdays: 1B35 1404 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1A81 1738 Edinburgh - Aberdeen There are no Sunday workings booked for the set at present. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Another update - the diagrams for the December timetable change. 10 sets booked for service it seems: ScotRail HST set diagrams: Valid from 10th December until 19th May Diagram 1 0530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 0904 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1230 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1538 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1840 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 2156 Aberdeen - Inverness Diagram 2 0554 Inverness - Aberdeen 0851 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1139 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 1442 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1741 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 2107 Aberdeen - Edinburgh Diagram 3 0730 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1102 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1916 Aberdeen - Edinburgh Diagram 4 0833 Edinburgh - Inverness 1255 Inverness - Edinburgh 1739 Edinburgh- Inverness Diagram 5 0453 Inverness - Edinburgh 1130 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1600 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1934 Edinburgh - Aberdeen Diagram 6 0614 Aberdeen - Inverness 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh 1336 Edinburgh - Inverness 1728 Inverness - Glasgow Queen St 2112 Glasgow Queen St - Perth ECS Diagram 7 0647 Perth - Glasgow Queen St ECS 0838 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 1247 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1539 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 1837 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 2140 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen Diagram 8 0548 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 0929 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1312 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1627 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 2009 Aberdeen - Edinburgh Diagram 9 0553 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 0942 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1237 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 1630 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1940 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen Diagram 10 0640 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 0939 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen 1357 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 1736 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 2044 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Looks like the off lease buffets will be en route from Laira to Landore on Wednesday with the power cars coming back on Thursday, shame really as most of them are in very good condition having never been used in service since repaint, I am sure the local Swansea residents will 'amend' the livery accordingly. It looks like there is another move planned for tomorrow, So potentially further Buffet Car movements? Oddly last weeks move saw most of the First Group owned 409XX TRFBs heading off lease first - I'd have thought they would have kept those running for longer than the leased ones. Having travelled on a HST to Devon and IET back last weekend the Buffet Cars will be sorely missed, especially when there's no competition between a much larger buffet vs a Hitachi owned poorly stocked trolley with barely anything on it! Edited October 24, 2018 by surfsup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 They are not plug doors because plug doors were not specified. General clarification comment- They are fitted with sliding doors because sliding doors were specified from day one, at no stage were they going to be fitted with plug doors, why does everyone assume (incorrectly) that these are being fitted with plug doors when that was never, ever the intention! does anyone not understand what type of doors are being fitted to these coaches? The answer is sliding doors, you know the ones which slide into a recess in the bodyside, unlike plug doors which these coaches are not being fitted with which swing out and run outside the bodyside! And repeat this post every couple of pages because we will be back to them being fitted with plug doors when they arent! Does that clarify things! And breath. So..............they are not getting plug doors? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 The mini-HST diagrams are remininscent of the 'Indian Summer' of the Gresley A4s on the Glasgow Buchanan St - Aberdeen expresses in the mid-1960s. To be hoped they last longer. Are the Edinburgh-Inverness and return diagrams via Perth or Aberdeen? Dava Another update - the diagrams for the December timetable change. 10 sets booked for service it seems:ScotRail HST set diagrams: Valid from 10th December until 19th MayDiagram 10530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen0904 Aberdeen - Edinburgh1230 Edinburgh - Aberdeen1538 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1840 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen2156 Aberdeen - InvernessDiagram 20554 Inverness - Aberdeen0851 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1139 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen1442 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1741 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen2107 Aberdeen - EdinburghDiagram 30730 Edinburgh - Aberdeen1102 Aberdeen - Edinburgh1530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen1916 Aberdeen - EdinburghDiagram 40833 Edinburgh - Inverness1255 Inverness - Edinburgh1739 Edinburgh- InvernessDiagram 50453 Inverness - Edinburgh1130 Edinburgh - Aberdeen1600 Aberdeen - Edinburgh1934 Edinburgh - AberdeenDiagram 60614 Aberdeen - Inverness0944 Inverness - Edinburgh1336 Edinburgh - Inverness1728 Inverness - Glasgow Queen St2112 Glasgow Queen St - Perth ECSDiagram 70647 Perth - Glasgow Queen St ECS0838 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen1247 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1539 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen1837 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St2140 Glasgow Queen St - AberdeenDiagram 80548 Aberdeen - Edinburgh0929 Edinburgh - Aberdeen1312 Aberdeen - Edinburgh1627 Edinburgh - Aberdeen2009 Aberdeen - EdinburghDiagram 90553 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen0942 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1237 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen1630 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St1940 Glasgow Queen St - AberdeenDiagram 100640 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St0939 Glasgow Queen St - Aberdeen1357 Aberdeen - Edinburgh1736 Edinburgh - Aberdeen2044 Aberdeen - Glasgow Queen St Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 The mini-HST diagrams are remininscent of the 'Indian Summer' of the Gresley A4s on the Glasgow Buchanan St - Aberdeen expresses in the mid-1960s. To be hoped they last longer. Are the Edinburgh-Inverness and return diagrams via Perth or Aberdeen? Dava They are indeed - featherweight loads, accelerated timings. History has a funny way of repeating itself like that sometimes! All Edinburgh/Inverness are via Aviemore and Perth except the 0453 Inverness-Edinburgh which is via Aberdeen. I believe that they were specified in the franchise agreement as lasting 10-12 years. So about 2030. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunwurken Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Was in Blair Atholl today at about 1300 when a 2 + 4 was heading north presumably on a training run. Too far away to ascertain what loco numbers were but I could clearly hear the set had a flat on one of its wheelsets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Was in Blair Atholl today at about 1300 when a 2 + 4 was heading north presumably on a training run. Too far away to ascertain what loco numbers were but I could clearly hear the set had a flat on one of its wheelsets. Not too surprising, while the interiors have been refurbished and sliding doors/retention tanks fitted, nothing was done to the traction electronics or WSP. While some sets with other operators have a modern Knorr-Bremse WSP which is pretty good, the GWR trailers all have either the original Girling or BR-type. I believe the latter is particularly poorer at effectively controlling wheel lock-up with heavier brake applications at speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Passing Haymarket yesterday on the tram, there seemed to be two HST sets in the yard. Each had a power car in "seven cities" livery, but both were attached to purple/swooshy lined (ex FGW?) coaching stock. I couldn't see the other end of either train, so I don't know if either one had the second power car attached. Didn't get the numbers of the two power cars I saw, unfortunately. Would I be right to assume that these are being used for more driver training, and awaiting refurbed coaches? I assume that the HST services running now are using a fully refurbed and Scotrail-liveried set (or is there more than one set in service now?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Passing Haymarket yesterday on the tram, there seemed to be two HST sets in the yard. Each had a power car in "seven cities" livery, but both were attached to purple/swooshy lined (ex FGW?) coaching stock. I couldn't see the other end of either train, so I don't know if either one had the second power car attached. Didn't get the numbers of the two power cars I saw, unfortunately. Would I be right to assume that these are being used for more driver training, and awaiting refurbed coaches? I assume that the HST services running now are using a fully refurbed and Scotrail-liveried set (or is there more than one set in service now?) There is only one set in service, fully refurbished, which presently works the diagram outlined at the top of this page. ScotRail will not be introducing any further sets into service until the December timetable change. At that point they will need a minimum of 10 of their eventual 26 sets (the rest will be introduced in May). Due to delays with the refurbishment programme, some of the sets entering service in December will not be refurbished - staff are being trained on slam-doors just now. Edited October 25, 2018 by hexagon789 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 staff are being trained on slam-doors just now. Is that what the sets I saw at Haymarket with the ex-FGW coaches are being used for, or is there still driver training going on too? Will the slam-door stock be re-liveried before going in to service? Or will they not bother since it'll be going for refurb sooner or later anyway, and its place taken by fully refurbed and reliveried stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Will be going across to Queen St in Feb after Model Rail Scotland to see if any of these units are about ,can someone please tell me what are buildings and statues on the new livery,I can see the Wallace Memorial but not sure of others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Is that what the sets I saw at Haymarket with the ex-FGW coaches are being used for, or is there still driver training going on too? Will the slam-door stock be re-liveried before going in to service? Or will they not bother since it'll be going for refurb sooner or later anyway, and its place taken by fully refurbed and reliveried stock? Probably still driver training going on, though I think all the drivers passed on Edinburgh-Aberdeen are now trained on them. Not sure whether they'll bother to repaint tbh, I'm not 100% on whether the vehicles for the unrefurbished sets will actually become part of the refurbished sets, they were obtained later and separately from otherwise off-lease stock and so are effectively surplus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Will be going across to Queen St in Feb after Model Rail Scotland to see if any of these units are about ,can someone please tell me what are buildings and statues on the new livery,I can see the Wallace Memorial but not sure of others?Sadly not the Bon Scott memorial sort-of nearish to Dundee (ok, it's miles away). Though maybe commemorating AC/DC on a diesel train would be a bit ironic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Will be going across to Queen St in Feb after Model Rail Scotland to see if any of these units are about ,can someone please tell me what are buildings and statues on the new livery,I can see the Wallace Memorial but not sure of others? I believe that there are different cities represented on each side of the power car. On one side are (reading left to right): Edinburgh represented by Edinburgh Castle (specifically I think St Margaret's Chapel and the small cupola'ed turret from near which the One O'Clock Gun is fired), and the Royal Scots Greys monument in Princes Street Gardens; Stirling represented by the Wallace Monument; Glasgow represented by the Finnieston Crane and the Squinty Bridge. I presume the landmarks on the other side represent the other four cities: Perth, Dundee, Aberdeen and Invernes. I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with those cities to identify any of them. (Full disclosure: I've never been to Dundee or Aberdeen. I've never really noticed anything during my rare visits to Perth that I would regard as being a landmark, and although I've been to Inverness twice it was only to collect and drop off someone at the station so I was concentrating on driving most of the time!) EDIT From what I can gather, the landmarks on the other side of the power car are (reading right to left): Inverness represented by Inverness Castle and the statue of Flora MacDonald (should probably have recognised those from the final episode of The Biggest Little Railway in the World); Dundee represented by the war memorial at the top of Dundee Law; Aberdeen represented by the statue of William Wallace* in Union Terrace Gardens; Perth represented by the view south-west along the River Tay from Smeaton's Bridge, with the spire of St Matthew's Church on Tay Street to the right of Queen's Bridge. END OF EDIT The coaches have various landmarks on them as well, including the Forth Bridge and the Falkirk Wheel. Sad that neither Abellio ScotRail nor the design company involved seem to have been particularly motivated to satisfy interested people's curiosity. * So William Wallace gets in twice, and Walter Scott not at all despite there being monuments to him in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Perth (and quite possibly some of the other four cities as well). To say nothing of Rabbie Burns, William Henry Playfair, James Watt, Thomas Telford etc etc. So five out of seven of Scotland's cities get represented by a nationalist military leader (twice), a castle (two different ones), a war memorial, a military regiment and a member of the post-Culloden Jacobite resistance. References to the country's artistic, engineering or scientific culture and history are vastly outnumbered by its military history. Boo. Edited October 25, 2018 by ejstubbs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I think all the drivers passed on Edinburgh-Aberdeen are now trained on them. Nope! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Nope! Can be long now though surely? Are you itching to have a wee shot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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