westie7 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Can be long now though surely? Are you itching to have a wee shot? TBH no bothered, if they're even around by the time my slot comes up Edited October 25, 2018 by westie7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 A long time ago you could buy (in Glasgow) a postcard depicting the 'best thing in Edinburgh' which was.......the train to Glasgow ! That image could be used for several of the cities to be served by Scotrail's HSTs..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 A long time ago you could buy (in Glasgow) a postcard depicting the 'best thing in Edinburgh' which was.......the train to Glasgow ! That image could be used for several of the cities to be served by Scotrail's HSTs..... https://bob65b.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/will-ye-no-come-back-again/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) I would have thought that the best depictions of the smaller cities would have been Dundee - famous for Jam, Jute and Journalism, out of those. the statues of Desperate Dan or Minnie the Minx would be most appropriate Aberdeen - Oil Capital of Scotland, so an Oil Rig is the no-brainer (although some in Glasgow would say a Sheep) Inverness - Nessie of course Perth - Probably the city that most lacks a clear identifying feature so what they did was about the best they could Stirling - they got that right, the Wallace Monument. I still think that the HST power cars should be named after their predecessors that were similarly drafted in - The A4s! Jim Incidentally - I wonder what Stagecoach buses think of this livery feature, they did something very similar first https://cbwmagazine.com/stagecoach-panoramas-enter-service-on-route-x76/ Edited October 26, 2018 by luckymucklebackit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Oddly last weeks move saw most of the First Group owned 409XX TRFBs heading off lease first - I'd have thought they would have kept those running for longer than the leased ones. It's more likely to be due to the next major exam required on the individual coaches. If the First coaches are due new wheelsets or a bogie swap for example, it will be more cost effective to stand these down and carry on with the conventional lease for the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) I’ve read elsewhere that First have (or are to) swapped a number of their buffets for Porterbrook trailers which they can then use in the 2+4 sets. Perhaps buffets offer a wider range of future uses such as the Freight HST concept? Edited October 26, 2018 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Of the 10 diagrams from December, there will be 4 unrefurbished sets in service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) Of the 10 diagrams from December, there will be 4 unrefurbished sets in service.Wabtec had better have a secret stash of plug door fitted trailers then as that’s one set per week to release to get to 6 plug door sets (how many sets in total are needed to cover the 10 diagrams? Are there even that many Scotrail trailers in Doncaster at the moment? Edited October 26, 2018 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted October 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2018 Wabtec had better have a secret stash of plug door fitted trailers then as that’s one set per week to release to get to 6 plug door sets (how many sets in total are needed to cover the 10 diagrams? Are there even that many Scotrail trailers in Doncaster at the moment? Didn't someone drop a hint that they aren't plug doors a page or so back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Wabtec had better have a secret stash of plug door fitted trailers then as that’s one set per week to release to get to 6 plug door sets (how many sets in total are needed to cover the 10 diagrams? Are there even that many Scotrail trailers in Doncaster at the moment? SLIDING DOORS................................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Hull Trains are apparently to get 2x Short HST sets to cover the Adelantes. 1 Duty and 1 Standby, to last until the 802s are on the scene. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Plug or sliding makes no difference if Wabtec haven’t got another 24 or so trailers nearing completion that can be handed over and in service in 6 weeks time. Given their performance so far, I’d be surprised if they can deliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Didnt Wabtec say they cant get experienced workers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Plug or sliding makes no difference if Wabtec haven’t got another 24 or so trailers nearing completion that can be handed over and in service in 6 weeks time. Given their performance so far, I’d be surprised if they can deliver Is the Scotrail "seven cities" forthcoming timetable radically different to that based on the 170s ? Is it definately a December change given Grayling's pause of many other timetable changes in December ? Can Scotrail get by with some slam door HSTs, and replace them on a set by set basis as refurbed sets appear from Donny ? Is there enough oomph in the 2+4s to accelerate against delayed station calls due to slam doors ? Clearly Wabtec are very late, with only the second of five XC sets going in, and another ten sets of four for GWR still to outshop. totally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) Plug or sliding makes no difference if Wabtec haven’t got another 24 or so trailers nearing completion that can be handed over and in service in 6 weeks time. Given their performance so far, I’d be surprised if they can deliver Vivarail have a stash of D stock trailers (untouched) that they could lend them.....with sliding doors. Stewart Edited October 27, 2018 by stewartingram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Is the Scotrail "seven cities" forthcoming timetable radically different to that based on the 170s ? Is it definately a December change given Grayling's pause of many other timetable changes in December ? Can Scotrail get by with some slam door HSTs, and replace them on a set by set basis as refurbed sets appear from Donny ? Is there enough oomph in the 2+4s to accelerate against delayed station calls due to slam doors ? Clearly Wabtec are very late, with only the second of five XC sets going in, and another ten sets of four for GWR still to outshop. totally The December timetable is different, certainly the calling are though timings are still based on 170s. Internal transport in Scotland is entirely devolved and under the remit of Holyrood so nothing to do with Grayling. Well that is the plan, to get by in the meantime and replace with refurbished sets when possible. A 2+9 can match, even better a 170 to 100mph, so a 2+4 definitely can. The LNER HSTs are typically booked for 3 minutes dwell at larger stations such as Stirling and Perth, it appears that dwells of 2-3 minutes are timetabled for the ScotRail services from December, presumably to guard against the longer dwell of slam-door sets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clachnaharry Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 This is somewhat surprising! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46028596 Do the HSTs run by LNER to Aberdeen and Inverness have holding tanks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 No, but no agreement was put in place between the RMT and LNER, or any railtour operator using Mk1s for that matter (e.g. the Jacobite), the point that they are making is that Scotrail is currently all retention tanks, but are going back to direct effluent discharge (for a while) Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_2007 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They could just ask everyone to hold it in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2018 This may indicate the refurb of the Mk3s at Wabtec Doncaster, including fitting waste tanks and sliding power doors, is proving more problematic and taking longer than expected. Brush Wabtec at Loughborough is able to turn out the refurbed power cars on schedule. Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They could just ask everyone to hold it in We are in full compliance with regulations as all passengers have been fitted with dual retention tanks for solid/liquid waste? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 No more crop of tomatoes then? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdr Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 We are in full compliance with regulations as all passengers have been fitted with dual retention tanks for solid/liquid waste? i guess the problem lies with the control of such retention tanks, especially when the control valves are lubricated with noxious substances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 i guess the problem lies with the control of such retention tanks, especially when the control valves are lubricated with noxious substances. You too have sampled my wifes chilli then? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 We are in full compliance with regulations as all passengers have been fitted with dual retention tanks for solid/liquid waste? Is this the 'Human side of the railway ' thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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