Warren Branch

[chuffinghell]

15 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

Would there not be raised stones or a sleeper at the end of the narrow gauge to halt wagons?

don’t know but it’s something I can look at

 

I’d appreciate any photos

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by chuffinghell

[Fishplate]

Hi Chris. As it is such a short line on level track, I can't see a need for any formal stop arrangement. There won't be a lot of momentum gained by a person or persons propelling an empty wagon out of the building. Even if they bump a wagon up into the cobbles, what can be damaged, other than the flanges? 

 

If anything was provided, there might be a wheelstop on one of both rails. Or, tramway style, stick a bollard in the middle of the "4ft". As more damage might occur inside the building in the event of an incident then wheelstops might exist there. But as you have modelled the building with the doors shut. . . .

 

 

[Jon Harbour]

31 minutes ago, Fishplate said:

Hi Chris. As it is such a short line on level track, I can't see a need for any formal stop arrangement. There won't be a lot of momentum gained by a person or persons propelling an empty wagon out of the building. Even if they bump a wagon up into the cobbles, what can be damaged, other than the flanges? 

 

If anything was provided, there might be a wheelstop on one of both rails. Or, tramway style, stick a bollard in the middle of the "4ft". As more damage might occur inside the building in the event of an incident then wheelstops might exist there. But as you have modelled the building with the doors shut. . . .

 

 

 

Bold text above added by me.

I can see what's coming now.....

[NHY 581]

'You were only meant to model the bloody doors shut'............

[chuffinghell]

Following an ‘off air’ discussion with @NHY 581 I have decided to do this based on the suggestions made…

 

 

….many thanks to Rob for his help and suggestions, much appreciated

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by chuffinghell

[chuffinghell]

Still messing about

 

 

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[Fishplate]

Looking good Chris 😊😊

[Jon Harbour]

Looks fanatastic!

[MrWolf]

Looks good, simple, sturdy and practical. 

I think that makes it suitably Victorian. 

[chuffinghell]

18 hours ago, MrWolf said:

Looks good, simple, sturdy and practical. 

I think that makes it suitably Victorian. 

it’s not glued in place as I'm sure I could do a much better job

[AlfaZagato]

Stop, it's fine, leave it.   Next project.

[chuffinghell]

I was wondering what to do for the coal hoist, originally I was going to use this

 

 

basic an over scale bucket, however after discussing it with @MrWolf and him finding this

 

 

I came up with this

 

 

3D printed box 9mm x 9mm x 9mm and a little 0.3mm wire. With a splodge of paint and some coal chucked in

 

 

 

[longchap]

Works a treat Chris and well spotted Mr W.

[chuffinghell]

Thinking of something like this for the coal barge

 

 

Should be easy enough to draw but I can’t quite figure out what these are supposed to look like though

 

 

Also not sure of the construction wood or steel

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by chuffinghell

[MrWolf]

Is that some kind of Bluetooth/ satnav interface or just a cupholder?

[MrWolf]

Oh be sensible Wolfers old man, it's the towing post, braced between keel(?) and prow. I would expect wood on a wooden boat.

 

https://victorianweb.org/technology/ships/33.html

[teaky]

10 hours ago, chuffinghell said:

Thinking of something like this for the coal barge

 

 

Should be easy enough to draw but I can’t quite figure out what these are supposed to look like though

 

 

Also not sure of the construction wood or steel

 

 

10 hours ago, MrWolf said:

Oh be sensible Wolfers old man, it's the towing post, braced between keel(?) and prow. I would expect wood on a wooden boat.

 

https://victorianweb.org/technology/ships/33.html

 

If it is a towing post, why are there three of them?  I have only ever seen towing ropes attached higher up too, so the horse is pulling down a little rather than up (if you get what I mean).

 

I'm tempted to think they are just poor representations of posts for mooring ropes and might be better replaced with 'metal' fittings.

[MrWolf]

They're not a great representation, but river barges are often towed and manoeuvred as well as moored in such a way.

 

 

 

[teaky]

6 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

They're not a great representation, but river barges are often towed and manoeuvred as well as moored in such a way.

 

 

 

Ah, perhaps that is what they are supposed to be then, especially since Chris's example looks a little wide, i.e. a barge rather than a canal/narrow boat.

[MrWolf]

That's a part of the off air discussion we've been having, a dumb barge on the canals would have to be a narrow boat, just to get through the locks, but not necessarily a seventy foot long example, probably forty feet.

[Nick C]

From what I can find, most coal butties (unpowered barges) looked pretty similar to any other working narrowboat, with the same triangular cover and accommodation at the stern. There's some open ones near the bottom of this page - Pontcysyllte Aqueduct though, which might suit?

[teaky]

I love the way that several barges are listing to one side due to the temporarily lop-sided coal heaps during the loading process.  Could be a feature worth modelling.

[teaky]

This might be handy, Chris.

 

https://live.staticflickr.com/6080/6062870105_5f317c2fed_b.jpg

 

It's the section of disused canal at the Black Country Museum.  Behind the camera is the section which often appeared in Peaky Blinders.  If you look carefully you can see there are more barges than it first appears though they may have been the victims of some over loading!

[chuffinghell]

Whatever I do I’ll base it on the dimensions of the one I have which is approximately 45mm x 155mm as it doesn’t look too out of place on the layout

 

Once I’ve drawn something I’ll post it on here and gauge the reactions 

[figworthy]

9 hours ago, MrWolf said:

That's a part of the off air discussion we've been having, a dumb barge on the canals would have to be a narrow boat, just to get through the locks, but not necessarily a seventy foot long example, probably forty feet.

 

That would rather depend on the canal.  To take a local (to you) example, the locks were 72 x 14.5 ft, so long enough for a narrow boat, but twice the width.  Whereas the canals in the area that is now known as Telford had locks of 20' x 6'4"

 

Being able to fit through the locks is only important if they need to pass through them.  If they are being used for a specific job, then they might not need to pass through locks.  The Birmingham Canal Navigations had locks that were built for narrow boats (70 x 7 ft), but over in the north western part of it, there were a lot of miles that were lockless, and some short haul boats were built that were longer and wider.  They mainly carried coal from the Cannock collieries to the Wolverhampton area.

 

In short, unless Warren Branch is a model of a real location, then the boats or barges on the canal can be of what ever size you like, providing they'll fit through the bridges and go around the corners.

 

Adrian