Porcy Mane Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) On 26/11/2023 at 15:22, Compound2632 said: one needs two cranes not just one; most things need to be lifted at both ends: Naaaaaaah. The easy way to coal. 😉 Not a high viz in sight but a great opportunity for ModelU. How many men does it take to service a Duchess? "Oh-er missus". A temporary measure by Kevin Lane, on Flickr Edited November 28, 2023 by Porcy Mane 14 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted November 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) I've always loved that photo! Yet to see it modelled though 😄 Edited November 28, 2023 by Fair Oak Junction 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Naaaaaaah. The easy way to coal. 😉 Not a high viz in sight but a great opportunity for ModelU. How many men does it take to service a Duchess? "Oh-er missus". A temporary measure by Kevin Lane, on Flickr The jib is too long for the 15 ton crane, you'd need a 45 ton crane to do that job, I can see it working with a Hornby Dublo crane and, say, Duchess of Montrose! You could also use the current Hornby version of both too... I feel sorry for the blokes hoisted up with the wagon to shovel the coal into the tender! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted November 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hroth said: The jib is too long for the 15 ton crane, you'd need a 45 ton crane to do that job, I can see it working with a Hornby Dublo crane and, say, Duchess of Montrose! You could also use the current Hornby version of both too... Indeed, and I might pose my Bachmann SR crane with a Merchant Navy at some point in a similar configuration just for fun 😉 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, Hroth said: I feel sorry for the blokes hoisted up with the wagon to shovel the coal into the tender! I expect they felt quite incentivised to empty the wagon as quickly as possible! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 27/11/2023 at 12:10, Fair Oak Junction said: I've not found any info on what match trucks the SR 15t cranes would have run with, so I'll probably just use a generic ex-LSWR 3 plank with the jib rest from the wagon it comes with. Usual thing for most railways was a double bolster wagon with the bolsters removed and a dedicated jib support added. Bear in mind that would normally be mounted centrally to avoid unequal loading, hence my selection of a longer wagon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 28/11/2023 at 01:10, Fair Oak Junction said: I've not found any info on what match trucks the SR 15t cranes would have run with, so I'll probably just use a generic ex-LSWR 3 plank with the jib rest from the wagon it comes with. I did a bit of looking at what was used for the Stewarts Lane crane, Happy to PM you if you'd like some of the info? I'm looking at a 3D print/scratchbuild hybrid to get it out of my head and into real life. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted November 29, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Jack P said: I did a bit of looking at what was used for the Stewarts Lane crane, Happy to PM you if you'd like some of the info? I'm looking at a 3D print/scratchbuild hybrid to get it out of my head and into real life. That would be great, thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 29, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2023 Goodness - we could have modelled that scene above entirely with Hornby Dublo products in the 1960s! Am astonished! John S 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, it's-er said: Goodness - we could have modelled that scene above entirely with Hornby Dublo products in the 1960s! Am astonished! John S The HD crane was 1959 - 61/2 so in the 50s* even! * Just! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craneman Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) The crane is (almost certainly) RS1074/30 so the HD model, although somewhat crude, is a better likeness than anything available today. Photos here if anyone is interested: http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/RS1074-30-at-Ferryhill Edited November 30, 2023 by craneman 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Model Railways April 1990 has a few pages on the cranes and a few basic diagrams of the match trucks. Ian G 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2023 44 minutes ago, Ian G said: Model Railways April 1990 has a few pages on the cranes and a few basic diagrams of the match trucks. Who is that article by? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 27/11/2023 at 12:10, Fair Oak Junction said: I've not found any info on what match trucks the SR 15t cranes would have run with, so I'll probably just use a generic ex-LSWR 3 plank with the jib rest from the wagon it comes with. There's a photo of DS316 in 'Service Stock of the Southern Railway' ( Oakwood Press, 1993 ) .... the match truck looks to be a purpose-built long wheelbase steel framed two-planker with a timber jib rest. It's a Lens of Sutton Photo so should be available from https://lensofsutton.co.uk. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 01/12/2023 at 07:55, Compound2632 said: Who is that article by? All it says at top of the page Cowans Sheldon 15ton steam breakdown cranes by Peter Tatlow Part 2, Mk2 cranes. there must be a Mk1 cranes as well Ian G 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 2, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ian G said: All it says at top of the page Cowans Sheldon 15ton steam breakdown cranes by Peter Tatlow Part 2, Mk2 cranes. there must be a Mk1 cranes as well Peter Tatlow being the author of a compendious and probably definitive three-volume work on railway cranes. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post phil gollin Posted March 14 Popular Post Share Posted March 14 . I received an e-mail today from Oxford Rail as an update on their J26 and the rail crane. They showed a 3D of the rail ; Crane Current Stage The crane is currently undergoing some major changes for the new mechanism, also CAD development has started on the now included match truck. There is still a lot of work to do on this but we’re still pushing for a 2024 release! . . 15 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 Nice to see the Midland style match wagon progressing 👌 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I'm perfectly OK if we see an increase, even a doubling in price, if we're getting a match truck. Especially if it's Midland-style. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 It's nice to see work in progress at last! I'm not entirely sure whether I really want an included match truck - I was actually looking forward to repurposing a spare three plank wagon for the job. But I suspect they'll sell more with one included, because not everybody will want to do that. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, MarkSG said: I'm not entirely sure whether I really want an included match truck - I was actually looking forward to repurposing a spare three plank wagon for the job. But I suspect they'll sell more with one included, because not everybody will want to do that. If, when it comes to it, you don't want the match truck, I'm interested! 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted March 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14 I would dearly like to recreate a scene illustrated in Chris Handley's Maritime Activities of the Somerset & Dorset Railway, where the boiler of the company's coaster Julia has been lifted out for transportation to Highbridge Works. The boiler looks like a significantly out of gauge load. The crane looks like one of this ilk. I guess it must have come round from Bath or Bristol to carry out this manoeuvre and presumably to repeat it in reverse after the boilermakers had done their repairs. Julia is already on scene, although its boiler must somewhere inside its solid wooden hull! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 59 minutes ago, phil_sutters said: The crane looks like one of this ilk. I guess it must have come round from Bath or Bristol to carry out this manoeuvre and presumably to repeat it in reverse after the boilermakers had done their repairs. No. 31 of the Midland's second batch of four, purchased in 1899, was allocated to Bristol. As far as I'm aware, the LSWR didn't have any cranes of this type, so presumably it's the Bristol crane in the photo. Although assigned to the Locomotive Department, they were quite often made use of by the Engineers' Department, so a loan to the Joint seems by no means improbable. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, Fair Oak Junction said: Nice to see the Midland style match wagon progressing 👌 Way back soon after the crane was announced, I did start bashing a Midland match wagon from Slaters parts etc. However, the geometry of the jib rest looked more challenging every time I looked at the drawing and so, with Oxford having gone quiet on the crane, I'm afraid I let progress slip! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: .... As far as I'm aware, the LSWR didn't have any cranes of this type, .... . IF Oxford Rail have any sense they will release the crane(s) in as many (incorrect) pre-grouping and BR regional liveries as they can - nearly all layouts can find a use for a light crane. . 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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