RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14 Given the popularity of SECR in the hobby, it would be a HUGE missed opportunity if they didn't release one in full lined Wainwright livery which the real ones carried. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Glad to see they've finally produced an update on the crane, also the J26; it's been an unconscionably long time since they've said anything much about both of these projects. Takeover of the company was perhaps the reason for this. I'm not fazed by the price increase given that it's taken so long. I hadn't expected a match truck to be included, it struck me as odd that it wasn't there originally, but adding it is a very smart move as it does take the sting out of the inevitable price hike, althpugh like others on here I was planning to put something together myself. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: Glad to see they've finally produced an update on the crane, also the J26; it's been an unconscionably long time since they've said anything much about both of these projects. Takeover of the company was perhaps the reason for this. I'm not fazed by the price increase given that it's taken so long. I hadn't expected a match truck to be included, it struck me as odd that it wasn't there originally, but adding it is a very smart move as it does take the sting out of the inevitable price hike, althpugh like others on here I was planning to put something together myself. Probably because the different railway companies had different types of match truck. There are at least two kits for GWR ones available for example. The Cambrian kits one and this. https://www.brassmasters.co.uk/GWR_matchtruck.htm Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Probably because the different railway companies had different types of match truck. There are at least two kits for GWR ones available for example. The Cambrian kits one and this. https://www.brassmasters.co.uk/GWR_matchtruck.htm Jason And there is the Bygone Wagons 3D output available as complete or just the top. Mike Wiltshire 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 15 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15 (edited) 12 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: Glad to see they've finally produced an update on the crane, also the J26; it's been an unconscionably long time since they've said anything much about both of these projects. Takeover of the company was perhaps the reason for this. I'm not fazed by the price increase given that it's taken so long. I hadn't expected a match truck to be included, it struck me as odd that it wasn't there originally, but adding it is a very smart move as it does take the sting out of the inevitable price hike, althpugh like others on here I was planning to put something together myself. Is a new price stated anywhere? I haven't seen any reference to it. Still nineteen pounds something on Oxford's website. Unfortunately, "this year, hopefully" seems to be the message for delivery, though that's better than no info at all! I'll be adapting a Chivers 'Ling' kit to go with my Stewarts Lane one. Edited March 15 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Is a new price stated anywhere? I haven't seen any reference to it. Still nineteen pounds something on Oxford's website. Unfortunately, "this year, hopefully" seems to be the message for delivery, though that's better than no info at all! I'll be adapting a Chivers 'Ling' kit to go with my Stewarts Lane one. Still shown on the official OR website as £19.95 RRP for all variants, but I fully expect this will change. Rails of Sheffield for example have it listed for pre-order for £16.95! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted March 15 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15 If it's less than £60 I'll be surprised. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltonparva Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Bucoops said: If it's less than £60 I'll be surprised. Shhhh....... Stop giving 'em ideas. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted March 15 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, daltonparva said: Shhhh....... Stop giving 'em ideas. I have a D&S Kit so the more it is the better for me ;) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 15 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15 19 hours ago, Compound2632 said: No. 31 of the Midland's second batch of four, purchased in 1899, was allocated to Bristol. As far as I'm aware, the LSWR didn't have any cranes of this type, so presumably it's the Bristol crane in the photo. Although assigned to the Locomotive Department, they were quite often made use of by the Engineers' Department, so a loan to the Joint seems by no means improbable. Pre-1900 LSWR cranes were built by Dunlop & Bell on 6-wheel underframes. Post-1900 the favoured supplier for cranes up to 20tons was Stothert & Pitt of Bath. 36-tonners were later supplied by Ransomes & Rapier (1918) and Cowans, Sheldon (1922). 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 12 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Probably because the different railway companies had different types of match truck. Can anyone point me towards a suitable match truck for an LNER example? (Ex-GN section, 1930s). Cheers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 22 hours ago, phil gollin said: The crane is currently undergoing some major changes for the new mechanism Why am I getting a bad feeling that this means it's now significantly more complicated (i.e. expensive) than it was ? I really wasn't expecting it to be 16 quid but I think the estimates of 4 times that might be conservative. Edited March 15 by Wheatley Typing wiv thumb 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 15 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15 (edited) I think it's still a bit early to be worrying about it. We don't know, and we have no way of knowing. Oxford stuff has always been priced very competitively, so until we know for sure I'm certainly going to stay more on the hopeful side. Edit: As proved by the fact the J26s are still at an RRP of £130 (£110 at some retailers) despite global economic factors that have happened since they were first announced. Edited March 15 by Fair Oak Junction 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 It's not going to be £16.50 now that's for sure! Oh well, at least whatever it will be I can take £16.50 off! 🫣. Cheers, Jim. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Quote The crane is currently undergoing some major changes for the new mechanism I hope this doesn't mean they are turning it into a working toy like Bachmann did, which significantly increased the price. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 50 minutes ago, Free At Last said: I hope this doesn't mean they are turning it into a working toy like Bachmann did, which significantly increased the price. I do think that the Bachmann crane was over-engineered for the majority of its customers, yes. But I do also think that having it poseable is useful, because a lot of buyers of cranes are going to want to put them into action scenes rather than having them always in jib-down mode as would be the case in transit. Oxford did manage that with the rail gun, though, without feeling the need to replicate the real life mechanism in the way that Bachmann did with their crane. And I think most people would be satisfied with relatively limited moveability - just being able to lift and rotate the jib is probably enough. So hopefully they can find a suitable compromise between functionality and simplicity. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) On 15/03/2024 at 10:38, Ollie K said: Can anyone point me towards a suitable match truck for an LNER example? (Ex-GN section, 1930s). Cheers. The Sheldon Mk2 swan neck 15-ton crane 961604, which went to Colchester in November 1947, was originally GNR. At Colchester it was coupled to four vehicles: Tool Van 961515, ex LD&ECR (GCR) 51842 6-wheel 34’ brake third. Mess and Packing Van 961520 ex GER 6-wheel 945 brake third 62332. Crane Runner 961658 a converted ex GER double bolster and Guard Truck 961657 a converted ex GER Diagram 17 high sided wagon. My model is mix of D&S kits, modified as necessary and the crane runner is scratch built. Paul Edited March 16 by PaulG photo of complete breakdown train 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 15/03/2024 at 13:37, MarkSG said: ... Oxford did manage that with the rail gun, though, without feeling the need to replicate the real life mechanism ... They probably realise that not all railway modellers hold a Firearms License ! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 15/03/2024 at 17:29, PaulG said: The Sheldon Mk2 swan neck 15-ton crane 961604, which went to Colchester in November 1947, was originally GNR. At Colchester it was coupled to four vehicles: Tool Van 961515, ex LD&ECR (GCR) 51842 6-wheel 34’ brake third. Mess and Packing Van 961520 ex GER 6-wheel 945 brake third 62332. Crane Runner 961658 a converted ex GER double bolster and Guard Truck 961657 a converted ex GER Diagram 17 high sided wagon. My model is mix of D&S kits, modified as necessary and the crane runner is scratch built. Paul Thanks Paul. Has your layout appeared in any exhibitions or magazines? Looks terrific. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ollie K said: Thanks Paul. Has your layout appeared in any exhibitions or magazines? Looks terrific. Thank you for your comments and the layout has appeared in Model Rail and from time to time, I post photos on RMWEB (see "Colchester c1950 4mm/OO gauge" under the modelling heading ), various Facebook pages and Great Eastern Railway Society News. Paul Edited March 17 by PaulG 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted March 29 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29 On 14/03/2024 at 14:03, Compound2632 said: If, when it comes to it, you don't want the match truck, I'm interested! How many do you want? 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 29 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29 38 minutes ago, 57xx said: How many do you want? 😂 Probably three. One to go with the Oxford crane, one to go with my D&S crane "when" I get round to building it, and one to use the jib support in a shorter match wagon for a 5-ton hand crane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted March 29 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29 Is the match truck based on a revenue earning wagon or a specific (or worse generic) build for the crane? mine will be redundant once I convert the crane into the GW version, but if there is something useful it could be converted into that would be a bonus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 7 minutes ago, The Fatadder said: Is the match truck based on a revenue earning wagon or a specific (or worse generic) build for the crane? Comments upthread, based on the CAD render, suggest it's a Midland style match truck. The Midland Railway, unlike most other companies, did have a standard design of match truck, and there are documented examples of them being used with a Cowans Sheldon crane of the type Oxford are making. See comments on this subject in this related topic: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/148508-crane-match-trucks/ So it is the obvious choice if a match truck is being included, because it will be definitely right for at least some of the versions and "close enough" for many of the others. But if you're not modelling a location which would have seen a Midland crane, and you'd prefer a more accurate match truck for yours, then the included match truck isn't going to be much use for anything else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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