BVMR21 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Ruston said: I feel the same. The Victory is a great model and I have two of them, for two different layouts, but the sheer size of it makes it difficult to justify for my micro layouts. It's not the sort of thing that you would find employed by something such as a small engineering firm, with just a couple of sidings to shunt a handful of wagons. On the other hand, something small, such as an 0-4-0ST is very easy to justify and I suppose that's why I have 7 of Hattons' Barclays and 14 of Hornby's W4 Pecketts. Very much so. Though my personal preference is something between the size of the Hattons Barclays and the Victory, personal favs atm being the PLAs (such as 1857 at the PBR currently), but that's possibly more down to the fact 0-4-0s don't really appeal to me as much as outside cylinder 0-6-0s. In that regard something like Llantarnam Abbey would be perfect for quite a number of layouts, at least in my opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Uncle Skeleton Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) I couldn’t decide between black or red so I got both 🙃 One a privately owned industrial, the other a heavy yard shunter until someone makes a Z class. Edited December 3, 2023 by Rich Uncle Skeleton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, cornelius said: I would love to do a fireless loco but I'd worry the market for it would be very small. Happy to be proven wrong! Do NOT produce a U.K. spec fireless locomotive in a series of colourful liveries with transfers available from Light Railway Stores to personalise them to various industrial concerns* HOURS OF FUN! * This is Steve’s wallet … I don’t think I could survive another “purchasing bender” should you announce such models! Edited December 3, 2023 by SteveyDee68 Bloody spellchucker again! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I think wireless ( battery/radio control ) locos are being discussed in the 57XX thread ! Yup - the spillchucker strikes again ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Ruston said: I feel the same. The Victory is a great model and I have two of them, for two different layouts, but the sheer size of it makes it difficult to justify for my micro layouts. It's not the sort of thing that you would find employed by something such as a small engineering firm, with just a couple of sidings to shunt a handful of wagons. On the other hand, something small, such as an 0-4-0ST is very easy to justify and I suppose that's why I have 7 of Hattons' Barclays and 14 of Hornby's W4 Pecketts. You could of course argue that post ww1 surplus meant the victory was available cheaper than a contemporary, smaller engine was, and was operated in confined environs, but with such a casual duty cycle it lasted for many decades as such. Paul. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Rich Uncle Skeleton said: I couldn’t decide between black or red so I got both 🙃 One a privately owned industrial, the other a heavy yard shunter until someone makes a Z class. Not tempted by an LNER Q1 tank loco? 😉 Cheers, Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Paul_sterling said: Not tempted by an LNER Q1 tank loco? 😉 Cheers, Paul. They look like clockwork locos, with a hole in the side tank to wind them up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, Paul_sterling said: Not tempted by an LNER Q1 tank loco? 😉 The LNER U1 was a tank loco, of course .... suitable for jamming a micro layout solid without really trying. 😮 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Paul_sterling said: You could of course argue that post ww1 surplus meant the victory was available cheaper than a contemporary, smaller engine was, and was operated in confined environs, but with such a casual duty cycle it lasted for many decades as such. Paul. It wouldn't work like that in reality. If all you need is something such as a 14-inch 0-4-0 it would make no sense to buy a much larger 17-inch engine, even if the initial cost is less. The 17-inch 0-6-0 is going to cost a lot more in fuel, repairs and maintenance and so would be a false economy. Shunting costs would have been taken seriously. They were a major reason that diesels gained a foothold in shunting long before they did on the main line. When a steam engine stands idle but at the ready it burns fuel and needs a crew to tend to it. A diesel burns no fuel and doesn't need anyone to tend it because it is shut down and becomes ready at the push of a button. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) On 03/12/2023 at 13:41, cornelius said: I would love to do a fireless loco but I'd worry the market for it would be very small. Happy to be proven wrong! I saw one at Locomotion and took a fancy to it. (The same thing happened with the (S160.) Very niche but there’s only one way to be proven wrong*. On the other hand, the point about more common industrials is well made. I know you’re called Planet Industrials but does it have to be an industrial? There are plenty of small steamers available to go for – Rapido has had no trouble finding some. Then again, does it have to be small? *By which I mean make one. Expressions of interest is another way. If PI isn’t as widely known as other brands (it ought to be) perhaps try putting a few likely models to a vote in order to gauge comparative interest. Edited December 4, 2023 by No Decorum Spelling and clumsy English. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) On 02/12/2023 at 21:22, Wickham Green too said: I've now found a decent picture of the rear of EKR No.4 and I have a feeling the circular windows ( rear AND front ) are slightly higher than on the 'other eight' ( maybe 2'' ). Between the rear windows are a pair of rectangular windows - were they original to both tall locos or an EKR mod ? The roof profile appears to be a simple arc as on the other locos and not as shown in the Railway Mudeller drawing ! I am certain the EKR one was one of the pair with 4in taller cabs. As I'm not trying to model the EKR specifically, my Victory is a fantasy preserved sample for my eventual Bluebell layout so the cab is not an issue. I already had number 5 (the preserved Adam's radial) and about 8 wagons typically found on the EKR line (even if some never left the coal field they worked for). The wagons are all RTR and are mostly not particularly accurate either. Likewise the radial has never run in EKR livery in preservation. But they are all fine for my eventual Sheffield park where the max number of locos will be sound fitted or - at best - DCC plain. Edited December 4, 2023 by JSpencer 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hilton Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Steve has been busy packing your orders from the weekend but we have a good problem to have, we've run out of shipping boxes! More are on the way - and he is working through dispatching your models as quickly as possible! 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 03/12/2023 at 13:16, Michael Hodgson said: I think you've made a sound assessment of the likely outcome. But give it a few years and the market situation will be different; don't lose the tooling! I don't think anybody's done a RTR fireless loco yet; there's a number of industrial senarios that would fit. 23 hours ago, cornelius said: I would love to do a fireless loco but I'd worry the market for it would be very small. Happy to be proven wrong! liliput made this delightful 0-6-0 Meningen verision in HO many years ago and its still very popular (though there are some of the real thing still in use in Germany). https://www.hattons.co.uk/22231/liliput_l103000_industrial_fireless_steam_locomotive/stockdetail Certainly fits a 00 layout. However in 00 a small 0-4-0 maybe good… https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co205802/fireless-locomotive-named-imperial-fireless-locomotive but do think a crane tank may be better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin55 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 What about NYMR Piglet's Lucie ? I would buy one of those. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: liliput made this delightful 0-6-0 Meningen verision in HO many years ago and its still very popular (though there are some of the real thing still in use in Germany). https://www.hattons.co.uk/22231/liliput_l103000_industrial_fireless_steam_locomotive/stockdetail Certainly fits a 00 layout. Nice but hush! You might put PI off! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: However in 00 a small 0-4-0 maybe good… https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co205802/fireless-locomotive-named-imperial-fireless-locomotive That’s the job! Would you believe that I turned up in Locomotion with the wrong card in my camera? No souvenir piccies. 😭 I like it even more now that I’ve seen that picture! Thank you for posting the link. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: but do think a crane tank may be better. Now I like the sound of that.....a nice Barclay crane tank Edited December 4, 2023 by Invicta 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: ...delightful 0-6-0 Meningen version ... However in 00 a small 0-4-0 maybe good… .. Take yer pick ! - Brasil Mill, Cuba, 24/2/09 : Henschel 0-6-0F No.1370 & Baldwin 0-4-0F No.1251 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Invicta said: Now I like the sound of that.....a nice Barclay crane tank Servo motor, DCC controlled. Probably too big an ask but nice to dream! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hilton Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 We've got a few ideas already identified and initial research undertaken... but no promises! A bit of an update on the initial (very welcome) success of the offer on our Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0EYvWesXTUPNbBzo2nZ7bHaHV88wiKJ4AFZJDkfsbCgjPZ3LqBtUBZbxmfLyPTkiEl&id=100063770790934&mibextid=WC7FNe 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, James Hilton said: We've got a few ideas already identified and initial research undertaken... but no promises! A bit of an update on the initial (very welcome) success of the offer on our Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0EYvWesXTUPNbBzo2nZ7bHaHV88wiKJ4AFZJDkfsbCgjPZ3LqBtUBZbxmfLyPTkiEl&id=100063770790934&mibextid=WC7FNe If any of those ideas are for steamers (but not fireless) please think about light from the fire. It would show up the delightful crews James painted for my two, in the process rendering most of my steamers obsolete! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, James Hilton said: We've got a few ideas already identified and initial research undertaken... but no promises! A bit of an update on the initial (very welcome) success of the offer on our Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0EYvWesXTUPNbBzo2nZ7bHaHV88wiKJ4AFZJDkfsbCgjPZ3LqBtUBZbxmfLyPTkiEl&id=100063770790934&mibextid=WC7FNe I do like your desk in that picture, if you flip it other way up is it hiding a layout underneath ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hilton Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) Thank you all, the response has been superb, Steve and I really really appreciate your support. Time for a last call, just 36 hours left of this seasonal offer... https://www.lightrailwaystores.co.uk/collections/planet-industrials Edited December 6, 2023 by James Hilton 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Sweet pea Posted December 6, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2023 Just ordered mine James.😊 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 On a dank, cold day, the postman rang my doorbell. Opening the parcel he handed me, I discovered my black liveried Victory! What a lovely engine. If you're still "thinking" get one! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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