RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 7, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2013 Adding to the votes for 142 - I would definitely put my name down for a 'Skipper' in original chocolate / cream. If it's anywhere near the price of the current releases, it will blow the sad Hornby version out of the water! PLEEEEEEEASE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 From the horses mouth: "No plans fo a 3 Car unit, just a ALL NEW 142!" in an email last month! With original style folding doors please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted October 7, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2013 Is there is a list of retailers? I was just wondering who in Yorkshire is stocking these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'd give DC Kits or Realtrack, thats DC Kits or Realtrack ×in best reeves and mortimer type lingo× Give the manfucaturer and retailer the full whack! Is there is a list of retailers? I was just wondering who in Yorkshire is stocking these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 7, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2013 Is there is a list of retailers? I was just wondering who in Yorkshire is stocking these? DC Kits (one half of Realtrack) are from Leeds. I believe that's in Yorkshire............. (Although in 2014, it becomes an extension of France for a couple of days) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Has the 142 been confirmed... its been all but announced for sometime... I hope it soon follows the 144 for release. The review for the 144 in the latest Model Rail is very good. As for the 142, Id like it in Brown and Cream, Tyne and Wear Yellow Regional railways, standard Regional Railways, and Northern Blue.... just for starters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Has the 142 been confirmed... its been all but announced for sometime... I hope it soon follows the 144 for release. Only "confirmation" is in post #604 (i.e. not directly from Charlie at DC Kits). If it is being produced, I can't see it being too soon as the 143 is next. And back to the 144 . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpeo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Has the 142 been confirmed... its been all but announced for sometime... I hope it soon follows the 144 for release. The review for the 144 in the latest Model Rail is very good. As for the 142, Id like it in Brown and Cream, Tyne and Wear Yellow Regional railways, standard Regional Railways, and Northern Blue.... just for starters! Well you might get it in Northern! Manchester PTE for me please. kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 so should the 142 have two different destination blinds as well as the two types of roof, some also have no steps or even just one then there's the vents on the top that can be boarder over or not as the case may be. Regards Arran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2013 so should the 142 have two different destination blinds as well as the two types of roof, some also have no steps or even just one then there's the vents on the top that can be boarder over or not as the case may be. Regards Arran And two types of doors. Northern with SercoAbellio branding please...... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 so should the 142 have two different destination blinds as well as the two types of roof, some also have no steps or even just one then there's the vents on the top that can be boarder over or not as the case may be. Regards Arran And 2 types of front end below the windows. With and without radio pods as well think. With and without door lock lights? I'll have look at my files and PM you in the next 24-48 hours 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 And 2 types of front end below the windows. With and without radio pods as well think. With and without door lock lights? I'll have look at my files and PM you in the next 24-48 hours The below the window grill thing is a panel they cut to get into the heater, so we were told Regards Arran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 you could design clever and have stickers for the roof, grilles door and maybe get a 141 out of the same tool..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I have heard that too, isnt the grill sourced or supposed to have come from BQ? Easier to access them extrenally and pop a grill on it than a patch...lump hammer enginering at its best! The below the window grill thing is a panel they cut to get into the heater, so we were told Regards Arran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted October 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) The 142/0 has a seven rib roof as per a Leyland National bus (142001-142049). The 142/1 has a three rib roof (142050-142096). Leyland modified the roof following experience on the first batch. The BR era fleet mods where replacement of the four leaf Leyland national doors with two leaf doors (due to the passing air pulse from HST potentially blowing the doors open). Roof mods included the standard NRN aerial (made by Philips) and the crew escape hatch which was applied across the DMU fleet following an accident report recommendation. The other change was from the Leyland TL11H engine / SCG 4 speed gear box to the Cummins LT10H / Voith T211r hydraulic gearbox. Post BR is more complicated! But various mods to the way the body is bolted to the underframe after 2002 Winsford accident, and extra retaining straps for the propshaft from the engine to gearbox are to name a few. The amount of variations across the fleet are numerous. Interior layouts and seating are a minefield. I'd suggest careful research before moving to a CAD design stage. I very much doubt you'd be able to tool for a 141 from a 142. Although they do share the same long 1400mm bays as found a 11.3m long Leyland Nationals. Edited October 9, 2013 by richierich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted October 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2013 Door interlock warning lights where standard from day one. Passenger door controls have changed, as per the sprinter fleet and depending who the operator was at the time of modification. So there are fleets within the fleet. There is a Pacer preservation society who own a 142 fibreglass cab front. I'm sure they'd assist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) If Realtrack do a 142, I'm sure they'll get 142013 correct.............. Cheers, Mick Edited October 9, 2013 by newbryford 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted October 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2013 so should the 142 have two different destination blinds as well as the two types of roof, some also have no steps or even just one then there's the vents on the top that can be boarder over or not as the case may be. Regards Arran Merseyside PTA sponsored certain units and they received Hanover flip-dot matrix displays, but kept 3+2 bus style seating I think. The rest of the fleet I believe have retained the as built destination blind aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 As well as the roof details Regards Arran 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The merseyrail units have their own special form of 3+2 seating. They're devices of torture to sit in, more akin to chairs found in a junior school. Other visible mods done over the years affect the isolating cocks under the secondmans side window. Originally 4 cocks,one altered following the Liverpool ls runaway when the brake res cock got taken off the fleet, and now they're fitted with sanders with additional and altered pipework. They also had a fine mesh grille fitted over the radiator in a light grey colour. Direct acting brakes replaced the woeful cable operated originals. And im intrigued by the mention of a crew s escape hatch.. no one mentioned it in the 7 years i drove them. I suppose that could have been deliberate..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I hope that the 142 also comes weathered with authentic rust in the corners of the window pans. The 142s have aged a lot worse than 144s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The first style of 142 destination display was a full width glass panel with black masking, later replaced by a solid panel with a small grommet mounted glass panel . The Merseytravel units retain a full width clear panel with there almost illegible electronic displays and one of the Northern cars still has full width with a small unmasked area for the destination blind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Even the roof pods have been modified. In the picture you can see where the vertical slatted intake has been panelled over. Not sure if Leylamd 14X units had the original Leyland national heating system, which blowed hot air from ducting above the windows. This was great to keep windows clear of condensation, but left passengers with cold feet! Later B series Nationals had conventional floor mounted heaters., which I think 142s have now. A great place for technical information are the BR (subsequent TOC) working instructions / Train Crew Manuals for the 142 (or any other class). These sometimes come up on eBay. Edited October 10, 2013 by richierich 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 HI I picked up two 144's from the Newark show, though I have not had them out of the boxes yet. I am awaiting Martin's enhancement of the 144, if your interested here is the link. http://s374444733.websitehome.co.uk/class-144/index.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2013 There isn't a lot of room inside a 144 chassis. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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