charliepetty Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy81 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Charlie, Some more of 144017 in two car formation in 1987 And in again in York in May 1991 with what looks like a 2 car formation (by 1988 144017 was 3-car); So could the centre care have been taken out for maintenance and the unit run as 2-car in to 90's? Infact this is in Doncaster in February 1994 Edited November 13, 2022 by chewy81 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellwar Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 @charliepettyAre the WYPTE sold out or not yet available? Just came across them on the website and worried I have missed out..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 These are proposed only. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2022 I found this picture in flickr… I certainly dont recall this very often. (Flickr url / not mine) 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2022 Lots of Arriva Wales 143’s and Metro 144’s on sale at £180 today at Warley. There was damaged ones for £75 but they soon went. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 Hi Charlie, I hope you are well? If you don’t mind me asking is this a new batch of ATW and Metro liveried Class 143s and 144s that you have for sale at the moment or are these stocks that you found that were from the first batch a few years ago? I ask because I thought that new and future batches of 143s and 144s were due to be delivered in 2023 and 2024 after the next batch of 156s have arrived in early 2023 and the 142s also in 2023. I’m just not sure if I have missed something somewhere. Also are the ATW Blue on the 143s and Metro Red on the 144s the only liveries that you have available on these classes at the moment, or are there other liveries available now too? Thank you in advance. Kind Regards, Danny. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 6 hours ago, adb968008 said: There was damaged ones for £75 but they soon went. yeah, straight in your ikea bag! I missed out on the damaged Arriva ones but did pick up the last metro one, just need to see your break down of them to see If it’s an easy fix other wise it’s motor out for dead haul or a display cabinet item! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 27/11/2022 at 01:31, DRS Crewe On A Mission said: Hi Charlie, I hope you are well? If you don’t mind me asking is this a new batch of ATW and Metro liveried Class 143s and 144s that you have for sale at the moment or are these stocks that you found that were from the first batch a few years ago? I ask because I thought that new and future batches of 143s and 144s were due to be delivered in 2023 and 2024 after the next batch of 156s have arrived in early 2023 and the 142s also in 2023. I’m just not sure if I have missed something somewhere. Also are the ATW Blue on the 143s and Metro Red on the 144s the only liveries that you have available on these classes at the moment, or are there other liveries available now too? Thank you in advance. Kind Regards, Danny. Watch this space for Northern Blue ones !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Provincial Blue 143 will be the proverbial hot cakes... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 27/11/2022 at 01:43, big jim said: yeah, straight in your ikea bag! I missed out on the damaged Arriva ones but did pick up the last metro one, just need to see your break down of them to see If it’s an easy fix other wise it’s motor out for dead haul or a display cabinet item! Finally got my £75 non running 143 unit out to have a look at this evening, absolutely stunning, was gutted I didn’t manage to grab an Arriva one…… ……until I put this one on the track and it worked straight out of the box! obviously needs chipping up but I’m really chuffed with it, and I can get away with it on the heritage line! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Am I seeing the Realtrack 143/144 breaking cover under the EFE range? Did Realtrack get other models made at the time so that they can then do a few liveries of their own on the same production run. Would be an inspired bit of creative working if that was to be the case... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, The Black Hat said: Am I seeing the Realtrack 143/144 breaking cover under the EFE range? Did Realtrack get other models made at the time so that they can then do a few liveries of their own on the same production run. Would be an inspired bit of creative working if that was to be the case... Exactly the same question I came here to ask also... Very interesting if so. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XChris Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, The Black Hat said: Am I seeing the Realtrack 143/144 breaking cover under the EFE range? Did Realtrack get other models made at the time so that they can then do a few liveries of their own on the same production run. Would be an inspired bit of creative working if that was to be the case... In the EFE Thread, Arran seems to say that they are not RT’s tooling nor have they given permission or license to EFE to use there toolings. So that would appear to be a different tooling… 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, XChris said: In the EFE Thread, Arran seems to say that they are not RT’s tooling nor have they given permission or license to EFE to use there toolings. So that would appear to be a different tooling… I find that surprising, it's not highlighted as new tooling and I can't imagine a duplication battle over 143 / 144s. Is the tooling rapidos then and the EFE releases commissioned through them? I can't see how it would be possible for EFE to use the tooling without permission 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmb5dnp1 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, GordonC said: I find that surprising, it's not highlighted as new tooling and I can't imagine a duplication battle over 143 / 144s. Is the tooling rapidos then and the EFE releases commissioned through them? I can't see how it would be possible for EFE to use the tooling without permission Hello, I think that EFE only distribute models they don't actually produce them, therefore when Arran said they had not licensed EFE to use their tools this would be factually correct but that all is above board, ie Realtrack produce the model, EFE only distribute the product. Dave 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Are you all sure this is the same tooling? It doesn't appear to me to be the same. Edited February 1, 2023 by Derekstuart . . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted February 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2023 Slightly different question (though if a similar theme to the questions on what tooling the EFE one is) - I remain keen on some of the intended Realtrack models - will they still be going ahead? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted February 1, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2023 52 minutes ago, Derekstuart said: Are you all sure this is the same tooling? It doesn't appear to me to be the same. it looks identical to me. It’s stated it’s not a new tool so where else has it come from. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Parentage aside, I won’t be able to miss out on a T&W yellow one but that won’t stop me still having one or two WYPTE red ones when they land. id rather buy from Charlie & Arran but maybe Charlie will stock the EFE ones at shows and apply his reverse Yorkshire discount 🤔 😇 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted February 1, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2023 I would like to understand what is happening here as it appears, on the face of it, Realtrack may not have been involved in this as they may have expected. I will wait for clarity before ordering. Roy 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charliepetty Posted February 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: I would like to understand what is happening here as it appears, on the face of it, Realtrack may not have been involved in this as they may have expected. I will wait for clarity before ordering. Roy Until we see a EFE Model, who can tell. What I do know is that the original tooling and Cad drawings are in the same factory as the EFE model is coming from. We have been assured its not our tooling, but no comments re CAD drawings, its obvious to us that project is based on 'similar' info to ours as it has some of our 'deliberate' errors on it, but it has modifications and alterations too make it subtly different. We first heard of this development over 3 years ago along with lots of other things, some have come out as EFE releases and some have not. When I see one, I will know. Its a shame the model has no improvements from our 9 year old model apart from a Next 18 decoder, pre-fitted speaker and possibly a revised chassis and 3 pole motor. If this can be sold at £212.50, why cannot other two car models be a similar price. ??? Charlie 3 1 2 1 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted February 2, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2023 Just glad I bought one of Charlie's remaining ATW stock at Warley with no dodgy weathering. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 It definitely puts a different slant on the new models if RealTrack hasn't had a payday out of them. It seems to me a very odd choice of prototype to compete over if tooling up from scratch. Surely in terms of numbers, the Class 142 would have been better to switch to over the past 9 years since the RealTrack 143/144 has been out. Also note the EFE ones dont seem to have been tooled with the original marker lights either which Bachmann normally tools. Totally agree about price if the Class 150 is £300 RRP then why are these £250 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, GordonC said: Totally agree about price if the Class 150 is £300 RRP then why are these £250 They're probably cheaper because they have half the number of wheels and axles. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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