RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 16 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Adi said: Stunning not bad, but I was hoping for more like this. (But without the bucketing rain)… ( those following mainline steam in the 90’s will remember 5407 had a stuck drain cock on the left side for maybe 2 years… every trip it was leaking steam from one side giving it a very odd beat sound). a bit of black to bling it down would do it, though obviously 5407 has a different boiler, so no renumber this time. Edited April 16 by adb968008 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: not bad, but I was hoping for more like this. (But without the bucketing rain)… ( those following mainline steam in the 90’s will remember 5407 had a stuck drain cock on the left side for maybe 2 years… every trip it was leaking steam from one side giving it a very odd beat sound). a bit of black to bling it down would do it, though obviously 5407 has a different boiler, so no renumber this time. They a bag of details that I won't add cuz of health issues Edited April 16 by Adi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelsh003 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Johan DC said: Hopefully not the same on-off system of the Turbomotive? That would appear to be absent this time, but it does of course light up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 14 hours ago, adb968008 said: not bad, but I was hoping for more like this. (But without the bucketing rain)… Must have been really throwing it down, chap seems to be using the opportunity to catch a few more litres into the tender tank! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Frankly the appearance of this version is not at all to my taste, being a bit of a straight-edge Death Steam kind of guy. It's impossible to tell through all that gaudiness how the poor thing would look caked in grot and as though it's at one with the Cumbrian landscape. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Some decent shots on youtube by Class47Peter (not normally my kind of reviewer, far too liberal in his glue use imho). The lamp brackets actually look quite good once fitted with no bigger plug or hole than would be expected with a separate lamp iron being well fitted into the model. So that's encouraging. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted April 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 On 13/04/2024 at 02:02, LMSfan72 said: Well, on the positive side, that could open up the opportunity for small, specialist/cottage industry suppliers to fill a void which imo helps the continuation of the hobby. Is the base model good enough for lots of people or not, and if not, can the hobbyist base make it better? I can't remember the last model I purchased that I didn't do something to, but, I did have to start from something We really need DCC Concepts to bring back the lamps that they once produced. I did speak to them late last year, and it was being considered. I hope this inclusion by Hornby does not put them off. Unfortunately I could not get the correct lamps, but at least a correct size. They still need to be dimmed with some amber tint on the A3 as below. Comparison of Hornby and DCC Concepts. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted April 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 58 minutes ago, zr2498 said: We really need DCC Concepts to bring back the lamps that they once produced. I did speak to them late last year, and it was being considered. I hope this inclusion by Hornby does not put them off. Unfortunately I could not get the correct lamps, but at least a correct size. They still need to be dimmed with some amber tint on the A3 as below. Comparison of Hornby and DCC Concepts. That highlights just how overscale the Hornby lamps are. As I said a while ago, they'd look good on the Ellis Clarke Black 5! 3 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 57 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: That highlights just how overscale the Hornby lamps are. As I said a while ago, they'd look good on the Ellis Clarke Black 5! Maybe an opportunity for some enterprising individual(s) from smaller suppliers to produce working replacement lamps? At least we still have the option of their removal and the fitting of the lamp irons from the accessory pack. Edited April 17 by Black 5 Bear 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 8 hours ago, 'CHARD said: Frankly the appearance of this version is not at all to my taste, being a bit of a straight-edge Death Steam kind of guy. It's impossible to tell through all that gaudiness how the poor thing would look caked in grot and as though it's at one with the Cumbrian landscape. So no place for bling on your rails then ? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Black 5 Bear said: Maybe an opportunity for some enterprising individual(s) from smaller suppliers to produce working replacement lamps? At least we still have the option of their removal and the fitting of the lamp irons from the accessory pack. I’ll pass on that possibility as eyes & fingers ain’t what they used to be. As currently my operations are confined to a tabletop in a room with somewhat restricted natural light,I welcome this little additional brightness. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: So no place for bling on your rails then ? LOL! It pains me to say that I struggle massively with Rule One. I have to keep quiet about it for fear of causing offence. When I hear it being invoked, I feel like the actors in Black Adder, when the actual name of 'the Scottish Play' is mentioned! 4 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 17 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, 'CHARD said: LOL! It pains me to say that I struggle massively with Rule One. I have to keep quiet about it for fear of causing offence. When I hear it being invoked, I feel like the actors in Black Adder, when the actual name of 'the Scottish Play' is mentioned! And here lurks an honest man… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Here my review on Hornby new tooled lms Stanier Class 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 15 hours ago, Black 5 Bear said: Maybe an opportunity for some enterprising individual(s) from smaller suppliers to produce working replacement lamps? At least we still have the option of their removal and the fitting of the lamp irons from the accessory pack. Maybe when Hornby make one in TT scale we can pinch the working lamps from that! 4 1 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted April 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18 21 hours ago, G-BOAF said: Some decent shots on youtube by Class47Peter (not normally my kind of reviewer, far too liberal in his glue use imho). The lamp brackets actually look quite good once fitted with no bigger plug or hole than would be expected with a separate lamp iron being well fitted into the model. So that's encouraging. I watched this last night. Can't say I am as optimistic as to the ease of removal or concealment of the 'repair'. Peter had to revisit his first attempt as light blead (presumably because the LED's are permanently lit on DC?) through the PVA he'd used. Second repair with black tack worked but as we know, black tack doesnt really allow for 'invisible' repairs. The rear tender lamp is he said a permanent fitting with no alternative lamp bracket provided. The actual 'traditional' part of the model looks very well done indeed but the lamps and the loco tender coupling will be the minimum I'd need to do. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted April 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: I watched this last night. Can't say I am as optimistic as to the ease of removal or concealment of the 'repair'. Peter had to revisit his first attempt as light blead (presumably because the LED's are permanently lit on DC?) through the PVA he'd used. Second repair with black tack worked but as we know, black tack doesnt really allow for 'invisible' repairs. The rear tender lamp is he said a permanent fitting with no alternative lamp bracket provided. The actual 'traditional' part of the model looks very well done indeed but the lamps and the loco tender coupling will be the minimum I'd need to do. Shouldn't be a problem to disconnect the LEDs for my purposes and I have a nice new, sharp pair of Xuron cutters and a tube of filler for the one on the tender. How much hassle is involved will decide the fate of any further orders for Hornby locos with this feature. My gut feeling is to ignore them on release and pick them up cheap after the initial purchaser has lost some of the bits... John Edited April 18 by Dunsignalling 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve45 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Maybe Sam's Trains can get a 'loaner' to review? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 15 minutes ago, steve45 said: Maybe Sam's Trains can get a 'loaner' to review? Sam's Trains doesn't review "loaners" that is the major difference between him and some other reviewers. He of late seems to be a bit picky with locos costing over £200, I can understand why, if it is your own money you are not likely to want to waste it. As to lamps there is a physical limitation as to readily available leds, Hornby don't use enough to get a manufacturer to make a special. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve45 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Maybe one of his patreons can loan him, rather than Hornby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 4 hours ago, ColinB said: Sam's Trains doesn't review "loaners" that is the major difference between him and some other reviewers. He of late seems to be a bit picky with locos costing over £200, I can understand why, if it is your own money you are not likely to want to waste it. As to lamps there is a physical limitation as to readily available leds, Hornby don't use enough to get a manufacturer to make a special. He got a loaner off Athens and Hattons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Adi said: He got a loaner off Athens and Hattons He did - BUT (1) he never went and gave either item a final score nor (2) entered into his own 'league table' Whatever else you might say about Sam his adoption of the system used by the Consumers Association / Which? for decades (only reviewing items / services they have purchased from providers the general public can buy from) does show integrity. 3 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 4 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: He did - BUT (1) he never went and gave either item a final score nor (2) entered into his own 'league table' Whatever else you might say about Sam his adoption of the system used by the Consumers Association / Which? for decades (only reviewing items / services they have purchased from providers the general public can buy from) does show integrity. I was not dissing him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Adi said: I was not dissing him at all. I meant 'you' in the general forum wide sense, not the personal. Its just there are a lot of people on this forum who find him objectionable in one way or another..... Edited April 18 by phil-b259 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted April 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18 8 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: The rear tender lamp is he said a permanent fitting with no alternative lamp bracket provided. Thats rubbish! Come on Hornby even you can't be as thick as to think lamps were left on between locos and their trains.... If Hornby can go to the trouble of having a plug in lamp for the smokebox door then there is no reason whey the same cannot be done for the tender... 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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