Hornby 2022 Black 5 new tooling

[Wheatley]

Every time I look I see another ejector pin mark. 

[adb968008]

On 14/03/2024 at 17:35, Fair Oak Junction said:

This image from Rails of Sheffield gives decent close up views of the front and the lamps/lamp brackets.

 

agree i’m not sure I like the door hinge, but something else isnt quite looking right to me it needs more rivets, but thats probably right for as built, but should it be polished steel rather than painted silver ?

 

The difference between the wheelboss and the connecting rod is what stands out to me.

i’d use a graphite pencil and tone it down a bit myself.

 

even hanging a coupling shank isnt going to hide that monster lump of a pony truck.

Edited March 17 by adb968008

[NHY 581]

16 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

 

agree i’m not sure I like the door hinge, but something else isnt quite looking right but i’m not sure what on face value.

 

 

 

The issue with the hinge is that the area behind the hinge pin has been painted silver, thickening it somewhat. If they just stuck to the pin itself on a black background it would have looked a lot better. 

It's the sort of painting an 11yrs old me would have done with an overly thick brush and too much paint

 

Rob. 

 

Edited March 17 by NHY 581

[Wheatley]

I wonderd at first if it was a livery sample painted with a brush (the hinge anyway) but I think it's actually been sprayed and just not masked off very well. 

[Adi]

I believe some are in at Hornby

[Adi]

[Black 5 Bear]

5 hours ago, Adi said:

I believe some are in at Hornby

R30224, the LMS version 5200 is shown as in stock.

[G-BOAF]

Rails and Kernow reporting in stock.

Looks mighty fine...

Except for only being able to run it on a Cattle Train (given headlamp code) forward, and a stopping passenger when running tender first! What on earth were Hornby thinking....?

 

EDIT - noticed rear lamp position.

Edited April 12 by G-BOAF

[HExpressD]

56 minutes ago, G-BOAF said:

Rails and Kernow reporting in stock.

Looks mighty fine...

Except for only being able to run it on a Cattle Train (given headlamp code) forward, and a stopping passenger when running tender first! What on earth were Hornby thinking....?

 

EDIT - noticed rear lamp position.

The lamps, at least the front ones, are interchangeable as discussed at length on this thread iirc

[MikeParkin65]

9 minutes ago, HExpressD said:

The lamps, at least the front ones, are interchangeable as discussed at length on this thread iirc

And HUGE ! :)

[ColinB]

1 hour ago, G-BOAF said:

Rails and Kernow reporting in stock.

Looks mighty fine...

Except for only being able to run it on a Cattle Train (given headlamp code) forward, and a stopping passenger when running tender first! What on earth were Hornby thinking....?

 

EDIT - noticed rear lamp position.

Hornby put those lights on as a selling feature, nobody expected them to be correct. If they are like the ones fitted to the Turbomotive they are way out of scale. 

[Johan DC]

53 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

And HUGE ! :)

Seems to me only the lenses are too big. A little bit of black paint might help, or maybe change these. 

[Flying Pig]

16 minutes ago, Johan DC said:

Seems to me only the lenses are too big. A little bit of black paint might help, or maybe change these. 

 

I'll be interested to see what people receive.  I think we're still looking at the sample photos of 5200 and the lenses seem to have a lot of moulding flash around them.  That may be improved on the delivered models.

 

And doesn't the front headcode on 5200 indicate "through freight", which seems perfectly appropriate for a Black Five?

[MikeParkin65]

1 hour ago, Flying Pig said:

 

 

 

And doesn't the front headcode on 5200 indicate "through freight", which seems perfectly appropriate for a Black Five?

Only if its hauling a through freight!

[Flying Pig]

1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Only if its hauling a through freight!

 

 

And if it isn't and it bothers you, you can change it.  I assume you can put empty lamp irons in every position if you wish, though that's wrong at the front of a train as well.

 

So, you can have a stopped clock as supplied, which is occasionally right; you can push the hands into the correct position; or you can have a clock with no hands at all.  The choice is yours.

 

 

 

[cctransuk]

3 minutes ago, Flying Pig said:

 

 

And if it isn't and it bothers you, you can change it.  I assume you can put empty lamp irons in every position if you wish, though that's wrong at the front of a train as well.

 

So, you can have a stopped clock as supplied, which is occasionally right; you can push the hands into the correct position; or you can have a clock with no hands at all.  The choice is yours.

 

 

 

 

..... which all seems rather a faff when the loco lamps were not lit during daylight hours anyway.

 

Talk about a gimmick for gimmick's sake - Hornby pandering to the trainset brigade again!

 

CJI.

[Johan DC]

7 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

..... which all seems rather a faff when the loco lamps were not lit during daylight hours anyway.

 

Talk about a gimmick for gimmick's sake - Hornby pandering to the trainset brigade again!

 

CJI.

And I like then, and I’m buying (some of them) and I am happy with these, because it’s my hobby. Sorry no sorry.

[ColinB]

2 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

..... which all seems rather a faff when the loco lamps were not lit during daylight hours anyway.

 

Talk about a gimmick for gimmick's sake - Hornby pandering to the trainset brigade again!

 

CJI.

I don't mind them adding gimmicks but if they must make them the right scale. As I said in an earlier post there are much smaller leds they could have used. I must admit I am not a stickler for detail but they even put me off. It makes a decent model look like something out of Harry Potter. Fortunately for Hornby they are probably too expensive for Sam to review, so they probably have dodged that bullet.

Edited April 12 by ColinB

[phil-b259]

51 minutes ago, ColinB said:

I don't mind them adding gimmicks but if they must make them the right scale. As I said in an earlier post there are much smaller leds they could have used. I must admit I am not a stickler for detail but they even put me off. It makes a decent model look like something out of Harry Potter. Fortunately for Hornby they are probably too expensive for Sam to review, so they probably have dodged that bullet.

 

Firstly if the lamps are removable then they will have to be physically oversize so that your average Hornby purchaser can actually swap them round. It also follows that if the lamps are oversize using a tiny LED will only accentuate that look by virtue of the smaller lens

 

Secondly its the likes of Sam who are precisely the people who will be wowed by the lamps so as pricy as it is I wouldn't rule out it getting a review as Sam does make a big thing of asking his supporters what they want him to tackle... 

[phil-b259]

3 hours ago, Flying Pig said:

 

And if it isn't and it bothers you, you can change it.  I assume you can put empty lamp irons in every position if you wish, though that's wrong at the front of a train as well.

 

 

Even if Hornby do include what amounts to a 'blanking plate' with a lamp iron on it, because it has to be robust and easy enough to remove it will not be a tight and close fit with the surrounding surfaces.

 

A loco with obvious squares which stand out more than the rivet details etc round each lamp bracket will look naff however much you try and ignore it.

[LMSfan72]

1 hour ago, phil-b259 said:

Even if Hornby do include what amounts to a 'blanking plate' with a lamp iron on it, because it has to be robust and easy enough to remove it will not be a tight and close fit with the surrounding surfaces.

 

A loco with obvious squares which stand out more than the rivet details etc round each lamp bracket will look naff however much you try and ignore it.

 

Well, on the positive side, that could open up the opportunity for small, specialist/cottage industry suppliers to fill a void which imo helps the continuation of the hobby. Is the base model good enough for lots of people or not, and if not, can the hobbyist base make it better? I can't remember the last model I purchased that I didn't do something to, but, I did have to start from something

[Wheatley]

1 hour ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Even if Hornby do include what amounts to a 'blanking plate' with a lamp iron on it, because it has to be robust and easy enough to remove it will not be a tight and close fit with the surrounding surfaces.

 

It'll be fine, just wipe a bit of filler over them while you're filling in all the ejector pin marks on the front frames. 

[JhornG201]

Question for those who’ve had their models delivered: the front frame extensions with the visible mould circles, are they separate pieces? Want to know if it appears feasible to remove them so the circles can be filled and sanded flat 

[Dunsignalling]

Chucking the lamps out and filling in the holes looks like a solution on the loco, but are they perpetuating the fixed lamp on the tender, too?

 

Are Hornby even still interested in the "modeller" market?

 

I've left my Caprotti pre-order in place, though I've cancelled the rest and will keep my old ones. If it proves too much hassle to get that looking decent, I won't be buying anything else with this feature. 

 

John   

Edited April 13 by Dunsignalling

[bigherb]

18 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

And HUGE ! :)

I don't think they are that bad. If you want to see huge then look at the Kernow Railmotor.