RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted May 26, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2023 D5644 near Finsbury Park with the 1128 Kings Cross to Baldock June 12th 1962 by Charlie Verrall, on Flickr 5 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2023 I’m confused as to why the blue one has a brown underframe and bogies. Is this the base colour for a weathered version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted May 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2023 Underframes with BR blue were originally chocolate brown. Very noticeable in the background of this pic 80012 by Greg Atkinson, on Flickr 3 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted May 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: I’m confused as to why the blue one has a brown underframe and bogies. Is this the base colour for a weathered version? The ‘norm’ to date has been to do them inaccurately in black… 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Metr0Land said: Underframes with BR blue were originally chocolate brown. 8 minutes ago, McC said: The ‘norm’ to date has been to do them inaccurately in black… Wow I had no idea that was the case. Thanks both. Learn something new everyday. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Lurking in plain sight on Charwelton today at Railex Aylesbury was the prep sample of the MK1 BTU van and it’s lovely weathered roof, glad I ordered one last week 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Wow I had no idea that was the case. Thanks both. Learn something new everyday. You can't really tell whether the prototype was brown or black. The underframe always seemed to come in "weathered rust" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Which was the reason the brown was chosen, as I remember reading at the time. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 On 27/05/2023 at 21:18, black and decker boy said: Lurking in plain sight on Charwelton today at Railex Aylesbury was the prep sample of the MK1 BTU van and it’s lovely weathered roof, glad I ordered one last week Are the painted yellow windows, meant to have been plated over? In which case they need to be painted black from behind to prevent the light bleed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted May 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, rovex said: Are the painted yellow windows, meant to have been plated over? In which case they need to be painted black from behind to prevent the light bleed. Absolutely. these are livery / decoration samples not final production. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaziii Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Anyone got any pictures of the prototypical brown used for the BR Blue's underframes? Really curious to see what they look like >:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted June 6, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Amaziii said: Anyone got any pictures of the prototypical brown used for the BR Blue's underframes? Really curious to see what they look like >:D 'Fraid not - but it was a cross between maroon and chocolate. Precision had it in their range - they may still do so. CJI. Edited June 6, 2023 by cctransuk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted June 6, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2023 We can be quite specific with that under frame colour @Amaziii, the correct colour is BS 3-039 Chocolate. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted June 6, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Islesy said: We can be quite specific with that under frame colour @Amaziii, the correct colour is BS 3-039 Chocolate. Cadbury or Nestle? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pint of Adnams Posted June 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Bucoops said: Cadbury or Nestle? Cadbury, since they were fitted with Oreo buffers 😋 2 4 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Islesy said: We can be quite specific with that under frame colour @Amaziii, the correct colour is BS 3-039 Chocolate. Equivalent to BS381C 451 Dark Brown, as per Sheet 1/30 Basic Elements - Colour in the British Rail Corporate Manual. Also BS381C 633 Dark Grey/BS2660 9-098 for roofs. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2023 The brown underframes were also used on locomotives in the early days of blue livery. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The chocolate was a very 'strong' colour but not 80% intense chocolate, possibly 70% and, of course, gloss. I distinctly remember looking for it on newly painted coaches as I had been to the design center exhibition and had read about the surprising new colour - may even have had a copy of the corporate image manual at home. I'll admit that I don't remember it on locos, this for example has been shopped (fitted with push pull fixings) only a few weeks before the photo - but possibly they didn't touch the running gear - a lot of repainting even today ignore everything below the body. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brcwclass33/e2e96718f Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted July 3, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 21/06/2023 at 10:35, The Johnster said: The brown underframes were also used on locomotives in the early days of blue livery. Like this one. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 29/05/2023 at 08:27, rovex said: Are the painted yellow windows, meant to have been plated over? In which case they need to be painted black from behind to prevent the light bleed. This is something that really should have been done on the Deltics as well, as there is light bleed (certainly on KOYLI with a white-painted quarterlight plate, where light bleeds under night conditions, and also daylight when viewing through the cab). Good that AS are on it this time round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 If they're supposed to be plated flush, perhaps inserting a brass etching might have been better than just paint ??!? - though more expensive, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted July 3, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: If they're supposed to be plated flush, perhaps inserting a brass etching might have been better than just paint ??!? - though more expensive, of course. The deco samples, are not finished to spec, and will feature fully painted out windows inside and out (as per the real thing) not etches, hope that helps! Edited July 3, 2023 by McC 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I was reading on the website about these coaches, Marylebone set can some one tell me how many coaches I need and how many for each type? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted September 22, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 03/07/2023 at 09:05, stovepipe said: Like this one. Being cynical, I can't help wondering if the 'brown' underframe colour was a way of using up stocks of coaching stock maroon. Mix maroon 50:50 with black, what do you get?? CJI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) On 03/07/2023 at 09:05, stovepipe said: Like this one. Looks like someone put the wrong body back on that chassis… 😀 Edited September 22, 2023 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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