Revolution announce Class 120 in N

[dpgibbons]

20 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Got a long wait to be able to order - end of next year or even 2024 before the order book opens.

 

Did Revolution say that? Given that they are using an existing chassis I'd hope to see them sooner than that.

Edited September 11, 2022 by dpgibbons

[acg5324]

Excellent news……and here’s one at Portsmouth Harbour.

https://zenfolio.page.link/H45t3

[woodenhead]

6 hours ago, dpgibbons said:

 

Did Revolution say that? Given that they are using an existing chassis I'd hope to see them sooner than that.

I thought it did read as that, but looking again at the Revolution Page, it does say delivery late 2023 early 2024, so a normal development window.

http://www.revolutiontrains.com/swindon-120/

 

[turbos]

14 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

 

Yeah, I was thinking about that when this model was announced but Revolution have said that they have measured up some of the preserved Class 126 vehicles which are supposedly quite similar. This has made me wonder though exactly how different/similar are the Class 126 & 120?

The Class 120 has much in common with the Class 126, the interior layout and side body light positioning being the main construction difference. There is a myriad of detail differences between the Class 126 and Class 120 and between the three batches of Class 120, buffers being just one example.

 

Brian.

[bingley hall]

Here's one to make life interesting, with a 101 class trailer in the middle. Taken by me at Barmouth in August 1983

 

Barmouth by Bingley Hall, on Flickr

[jjb1970]

Splendid announcement by Revolution, one of my all time favourite DMU trains. Hopefully we will see it in OO too.

[Stefen1988]

When they take measures from the Class 126, wouldn't it be better to start with this Class and use this then as a basis to bring the 120 later?

[woodenhead]

28 minutes ago, Stefen1988 said:

When they take measures from the Class 126, wouldn't it be better to start with this Class and use this then as a basis to bring the 120 later?

RevolutioN's last attempt at a Scottish diesel class - the 29 failed to gain enough interest and it was dropped.  I am guessing the class 126 being even more restricted than a class 29 would prove a lot less popular than a class 120.

 

The Class 126 did spend a short time on the Western and also Glasgow-Edinburgh circuits, but essentially they are seen as Glasgow to Stranraer units.

[Fat Controller]

On 10/09/2022 at 11:26, Kris said:

Hmmm, need to do some research on this one to see if they fit the model area. Where were they first allocated in the western region?

From 1958, it would seem.

 

[Kris]

Just now, Fat Controller said:

From 1958, it would seem.

 

Indeed. I still trying to work out where they were deployed in the Western region. The first information that I found suggested that the first 40 sets were sent to Cardiff. Information that I found suggests that it was 1964 that they reached the West Country. I have also seen a source that suggests that dates in the West Country were earlier than 64 but I have yet to find any photo evidence to back this up. 

[ColinK]

Aother vote for a 00 version.

[Fat Controller]

3 minutes ago, Kris said:

Indeed. I still trying to work out where they were deployed in the Western region. The first information that I found suggested that the first 40 sets were sent to Cardiff. Information that I found suggests that it was 1964 that they reached the West Country. I have also seen a source that suggests that dates in the West Country were earlier than 64 but I have yet to find any photo evidence to back this up. 

Maliphant (Swansea) used them for West Wales branches (though not often on the Fishguard service), and on the Central Wales, once Swansea (Victoria) had shut. This would be right at the end of the 1950s. I remember travelling on one to Tenby, and being allowed to buy a can of 'pop' from the buffet; I'd have been about 5, so 1960. Around the same time, we travelled on a similar train from Llanelly to Snow Hill; would this be one of the 126s?

[Steven B]

Lovely choice of 63' DMU. Whilst the 117 or 118 might have been higher on many wish lists I think the 120's a great choice. Not being done in OO by either Dapol or Bachmann it's less likely to be produced by either. It also looks so different to the 101, 108, 121 and 122 that we already enjoy.

 

Hopefully a late 1980s parcels unit will appear, otherwise I'll need to track down a class 101 center car!

 

Steven B.

[D9020 Nimbus]

Since it appeared on several lines I have an interest in modelling "some day", I reckon one or more will be heading this way — probably in blue and grey. I'm just hoping a sound-fitted version is made available, as Revolution have done with some of their other models, but not the 128 for some reason.

[Covkid]

On 10/09/2022 at 16:31, Legend said:

Revolution do seem to have this knack of producing stuff in N that we really want in OO  ie 320, 313/314. And now a 120 .  I know they do do OO . Does the fact they are not making them in that scale suggest they think someone else is …………………….

 

 

 

Oh yes.  Very much so.  I would order a green and a blue / grey if they were 4mm.

Would also be tempted with a Central Wales 2 car fitted with the car headlights between the windscreens

 

For the person talking about Elgin, don't forget that a handful of the Inverness ones had the extra length brakevan and the tokencatcher fitted to the brakevan door.  

 

Here is a 1968 image on the Wiki page of the token catcher on the brakevan

 

The_BR_(Swindon)_Cross_Country_dmu_Sc51788,_Sc51790,_Sc59679,_Sc51783_(8391978719).jpg (928×631) (wikimedia.org)

[Revolution Mike]

We will be unlikely to offer a sound fitted version (though it will be easy to add a sound decoder) for the same reason as we haven’t on the 128 ie that the real things don’t exist and therefore recording a new sound project isn’t feasible plus many of the aftermarket suppliers have various DMU sound projects. 
 

cheers Mike

[Marke]

Another excellent development from Revolution. Doesn’t quite fit with my area of modelling but I am sure I will find an excuse for a blue-grey one. If only somebody would produce a first generation high density suburban DMU (class 117 or similar) which remains a big gap in the world of British N gauge.

[spamcan61]

8 minutes ago, Marke said:

If only somebody would produce a first generation high density suburban DMU (class 117 or similar) which remains a big gap in the world of British N gauge.

I would think the possibility of Bachmann downscaling their 00 one ( which may already be a work in progress for all we know)  would put anybody else off.

[Legend]

On 10/09/2022 at 20:34, montyburns56 said:

 

Yeah, I was thinking about that when this model was announced but Revolution have said that they have measured up some of the preserved Class 126 vehicles which are supposedly quite similar. This has made me wonder though exactly how different/similar are the Class 126 & 120?

i really don’t think there’s a huge amount of similarity . The overall lengths and profiles maybe , but the composition of the unit was quite different . The 126 had a corridor centre coach , which I loved being in, pretending I was on a Mainline service for all of 10 minutes Glasgow Central - Paisley Gilmour St !  And of course one of the motor coaches had a corridor  connection 

 

I’d love a 126 in model form , but I really can’t see that being a practical step , unless 3d printing gets there . 
 

Interestingly  for a while we had a 120 on the Ayr line as I well remember being surprised when it turned up at Paisley Gilmour St . I remember being  in the first class section which I could do because by that time there was no first class on the Ayrshire services . Perhaps she was there because of a dmu shortage  or because the 126s were being phased out . It would have been around 81 or 82 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Legend

[Revolution Ben]

 

Hello all,

 

We have been really happy with the response to this model - so thanks to all who've commented here or told us at the show how pleased they are!

 

In terms of research, Swindon drawings are somewhat elusive but we have some good leads (thanks to those who know who they are!) and the 126 at the Bo'ness and Kinneil Railway is useful as it shares many of the distinctive cab features.  As others have correctly stated, although also being Swindon-built, the 126's differ significantly elsewhere.

 

In terms of sound, Mike has pointed out that where the prototype no longer exists we feel it wisest to leave sound projects to the aftermarket specialists; of course like all Revolution models these units will be factory fitted with a NEM decoder and wired in speaker so adding sound is straightforward.

 

I am especially grateful to those who've added details about the areas travelled by the 120s; in due course I will try to prepare a route map.

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

 

 

[johnlambert]

I'd better start saving up as I'd love at least a green with whiskers and a green SYP version.  The 120 was definitely high on my personal whish list, thanks Revolution.

[franciswilliamwebb]

15 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

I would think the possibility of Bachmann downscaling their 00 one ( which may already be a work in progress for all we know)  would put anybody else off.

Absolutely, it'll be along any time now - right after the following I was also hoping would make it into the Farish range:

 

Derby Lightweight DMU

Cravens 105 DMU

Class 205 2-H DEMU

Class 414 2-HAP

Class 416 2-EPB

Class 419 MLV

Class 438 4-TC

Class 85

S&DJR 7F 2-8-0

Dukedog

Super D 0-8-0

 

Where's that infernal post-woman?

[Roy L S]

11 hours ago, Revolution Ben said:

 

Hello all,

 

We have been really happy with the response to this model - so thanks to all who've commented here or told us at the show how pleased they are!

 

In terms of research, Swindon drawings are somewhat elusive but we have some good leads (thanks to those who know who they are!) and the 126 at the Bo'ness and Kinneil Railway is useful as it shares many of the distinctive cab features.  As others have correctly stated, although also being Swindon-built, the 126's differ significantly elsewhere.

 

In terms of sound, Mike has pointed out that where the prototype no longer exists we feel it wisest to leave sound projects to the aftermarket specialists; of course like all Revolution models these units will be factory fitted with a NEM decoder and wired in speaker so adding sound is straightforward.

 

I am especially grateful to those who've added details about the areas travelled by the 120s; in due course I will try to prepare a route map.

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

 

 

 

Hi Ben

 

Like so many I am blown away by this announcement. 

 

Just one comment re: the sound option, as far as I can see the 120 and 126 have identical engines (150hp BUT/AEC two per power car) and transmission (4 speed manual) so a viable sound offering would certainly appear be possible by taking recordings from the 126.  It is not for me to say whether you should or should not do this, but it would certainly be the icing on the cake.

 

Naturally I am no expert on the two so it would be helpful for those who are to comment.

 

I have always thought the 126 is kind of funky having a corridor connection through the cab one end only but I guess as others have said that one is just too "niche".

 

Roy

[bluedepot]

great choice of dmu revolution! 

 

the 126 would be a bit too niche but the 120 operated in quite a few areas. 

 

i hope Bachmann will shrink the 105 and 117 soon and then we will have a great choice of dmus in n gauge. 

 

i would like sound - so will look out for a suitable sound file to buy. 

 

good luck with the product development 

 

 

tim 

 

[D9020 Nimbus]

15 hours ago, Revolution Ben said:

In terms of sound, Mike has pointed out that where the prototype no longer exists we feel it wisest to leave sound projects to the aftermarket specialists; of course like all Revolution models these units will be factory fitted with a NEM decoder and wired in speaker so adding sound is straightforward.

I assume that should be "decoder socket"?

 

Do any of your retailers offer sound-decoder fitting services? I'm sure you realise how much more convenient it is to get something already sound-fitted than to have to send it away for sound fitting, with the attendant long delay (TMC, for example, take on average 6-8 weeks). Fitting decoders — sound or otherwise — is too fiddly for me to manage.