GWR O11/15 Opens and V14/16 Vans - order book now open!

[Dunsignalling]

12 hours ago, David Stannard said:

 

  With regards to the X6 it would be a lot of effort for a vehicle that only ran for about 4-5 years, mind you an X4, X5 or X7 would be more than welcome for an upcoming wagon project 😉.

 

On another note the X2's and X6 were painted the typical freight grey, there was a fairly extensive article in Railway Modeller back in the 80's that detailed the conversion of the Wrenn Mica's to a more accurate model, I will have to scratch around my collection to find it.

 

July 1977, just to save you a wild goose chase through the 80's issues. 😃

 

John

 

Edit: Beaten to it! LOL.

 

I have done one of these according to Mt Huxley's recipe and the body came out well. The chassis less, so and the model has languished in my "to re-do" box for far too  long! Must dig it out!

Edited January 27, 2023 by Dunsignalling

[RapidoCorbs]

Am looking into all possible livery variations at the moment so don't take this as if it's definitely going to happen, but it looks like Shrewsbury had a V14 or V16 as part of their breakdown train (excerpt of photo attached)

Looks to be in BR crimson breakdown train red as per the coach to the right.

Does anyone happen to have any info on this van and what the running number may have been?

I've bought a couple of photos but there always seems to be a loco parked in front of it - typical! 😄

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by RapidoCorbs

[cctransuk]

2 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said:

Am looking into all possible livery variations at the moment so don't take this as if it's definitely going to happen, but it looks like Shrewsbury had a V14 or V16 as part of their breakdown train (excerpt of photo attached)

Looks to be in BR crimson as per the coach to the right.

Does anyone happen to have any info on this van and what the running number may have been?

I've bought a couple of photos but there always seems to be a loco parked in front of it - typical! 😄

 

 

Can't help with the number but - put on some random number transfers; rub off 90% of the printing; a bit of weathering; and you'll have a perfect representation of the prototype!!

 

CJI

[The Stationmaster]

2 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

Can't help with the number but - put on some random number transfers; rub off 90% of the printing; a bit of weathering; and you'll have a perfect representation of the prototype!!

 

CJI

I have no number information either beyond the fact that it will be (should be) a 'DW' prefix

[Wickham Green too]

POSSIBLY one of : -

V14 ; DW150064/7/8/9/229 ex.106606/875/948/608/112245 ( look to have been South Wales based and scrapped )

V18 ; DW150226/7/8 ex.104029/312/201 ( look to have been Oxon / Berkshire based and scrapped )

( from Departmental Coaching Stock ; Lineside Publications ;1983 )

 

 

but PROBABLY : - 

V14 ; DW150066 ex.101961 ( based at Shrewsbury and preserved S.V.R. )

 

 

[Dunsignalling]

Any help? *

 

From "British Railways Engineer's Stock - 2" (Cheona Publications, 1999).

 

Will delete if it creates copyright issues.

 

* Edit: I note it started off as a Passenger rated fruit van, so maybe not (or not yet🙂) !

 

John 

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by Dunsignalling

[RapidoCorbs]

2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

POSSIBLY one of : -

V14 ; DW150064/7/8/9/229 ex.106606/875/948/608/112245 ( look to have been South Wales based and scrapped )

V18 ; DW150226/7/8 ex.104029/312/201 ( look to have been Oxon / Berkshire based and scrapped )

( from Departmental Coaching Stock ; Lineside Publications ;1983 )

 

 

but PROBABLY : - 

V14 ; DW150066 ex.101961 ( based at Shrewsbury and preserved S.V.R. )

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

Any help? *

 

From "British Railways Engineer's Stock - 2" (Cheona Publications, 1999).

 

Will delete if it creates copyright issues.

 

* Edit: I note it started off as a Passenger rated fruit van, so maybe not (or not yet🙂) !

 

John 

 

 

 

Brilliant, thanks both. Amazing looking at the colour photo when you have an idea of what it *should* say, it does look like PACKING VAN on one plank and then the DW number on the lowest one.

[hmrspaul]

This is DW150063 at SVR, showing the remains of the red - not crimson which is a coaching stock colour - but breakdown train red. 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e231e868e

 

Paul

[RapidoCorbs]

9 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

This is DW150063 at SVR, showing the remains of the red - not crimson which is a coaching stock colour - but breakdown train red. 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e231e868e

 

Paul

Thanks Paul, great pic and you can clearly see the lettering. In that case, that's surely the same one appearing in the Tyseley breakdown train in these two pics from the Warwickshire Railways website (1961 and 1962).

 

 

 

 

[Wickham Green too]

DW150066 was, indeed, described as a 'BTU Packing Van' in the 'Lineside' book.

 

Incidentally, DW150049 was a 'BTU Staff Coach' which started life as Churchward Corridor Composite No.3667 which I'm sure some people will hope get you thinking !

[RapidoCorbs]

More artwork drafts.

 

We are looking at adding a bonus X6 meat van to the range as a limited run, as discussed on here previously.

 

To recap:

X6s converted from V16s with the addition of cork insulation and blanking off the vents.

Categorised as MICA A but had no refrigeration.

Converted 1918-1919, converted to V16s or Y4s 1921-1922

 

The consensus seems to be that as these vans had no ice facility, they would not get the white livery with red writing, but would instead look more like this:

 

 

Great Western Way says that by this time MICAs had lost the additional MEAT VAN lettering.

 

The running number is from Atkins' bible as the lowest number given (as is weight and tare).

 

Would be interested to hear thoughts on livery.

 

(please ignore the fact the base layer is a V14, it's the only version I currently have worked-up - X6 would not have vacuum brakes).

[BVMR21]

Looks good to me, would definitely look good in a train.

[Dominion]

Would love  the white with red lettering livery if any possible justification for it :-) though I know little once off the LNER

[Wickham Green too]

In the - apparent - absence of a 'Non Common User' plate you could probably justify one on the LNER.

[Aire Head]

26 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

In the - apparent - absence of a 'Non Common User' plate you could probably justify one on the LNER.

 

Non common user stock travelled to foreign metals too. It just affects what might happened once it has been unloaded.

[Wickham Green too]

I guess, though, it's more likely a common user vehicle would be used for cross-border traffic if there was a choice available.

[RapidoCorbs]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

In the - apparent - absence of a 'Non Common User' plate you could probably justify one on the LNER.

Am undecided if it should have one - some MICAs seemed to have them and some not.

[57xx]

 

 

1 hour ago, RapidoCorbs said:

Am undecided if it should have one - some MICAs seemed to have them and some not.

 

 

Have a look at your source pics,  there should be some commonality between the ones with and without NCU plates. It was usually done by a formula, not random allocation. Maybe the ones with are vac fitted?

[RapidoCorbs]

7 minutes ago, 57xx said:

Have a look at your source pics,  there should be some commonality between the ones with and without NCU plates. It was usually done by a formula, not random allocation. Maybe the ones with are vac fitted?

Well GWW mentions that they are fitted to VB stock. Atkins etc. specify that the X6s were unfitted (presume vac gear was added upon conversion to Y4).
There are photos of fitted meat vans without NCU plates though, although one visible on a van in MICA in 1934 and another on a MICA B in 1925, both after the demise of the X6. Considering these factors it's probably best to leave it off.

[Star-rider]

It’s a pity there is no prototype to justify a white/red paint job, it would have livened up some trains.

 

However, hopefully if we are all well behaved customers and snap up what GWR wagons have already been offered to us maybe a different MICA or TEVAN will be presented to us soon by Rapido.

 

I’d certainly be in the market for one – the wagons I have purchased so far (Iron Mink, GPVs, SR opens) have all been exceptional products. I believe the GW 4 plank opens are not far away and I’ll certainly be picking up a few vans and opens when details are confirmed.

[RapidoCorbs]

A few samples of O11 and O15 artwork drafts - one from each 'flavour' of livery. Note: All are pictured with tie bars but depending on the model these may not be fitted IRL.

Please note all artwork is subject to change.

In general we have tried to pick wagons where we have photographic evidence of livery and/or condition, some variants have been thin on the ground so we have tried to pick wagons that most likely match our tooling variations based on Lot and running number (things like door spring spacing, V-hanger position, buffer type).

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Still not found many photos of O15s despite my GW bookshelf now overflowing somewhat.

25" GW

 

16" GW

 

Post-36 small letters

Wartime variant of above

 

BR Grey

 

BR Bauxite

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by RapidoCorbs

[Miss Prism]

I've always thought the red V was carried near to the vehicle centreline. Must look at some pics!!!

 

Also, the black background on the wagon plates feels a bit weird.

 

[Sitham Yard]

1 hour ago, RapidoCorbs said:

A few samples of O11 and O15 artwork drafts - one from each 'flavour' of livery. Note: All are pictured with tie bars but depending on the model these may not be fitted IRL.

Please note all artwork is subject to change.

In general we have tried to pick wagons where we have photographic evidence of livery and/or condition, some variants have been thin on the ground so we have tried to pick wagons that most likely match our tooling variations based on Lot and running number (things like door spring spacing, V-hanger position, buffer type).

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Still not found many photos of O15s despite my GW bookshelf now overflowing somewhat.

 

BR Bauxite

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have a date for this please? In theory it should have a wagon plate (could get broken off I expect) and the markings should not be on black patches although I think this sometimes happened. Another possibility is that the bauxite paint was renewed just where the markings go and in a black and white photo a trick of the light could make it look darker. 

Andrew

[RapidoCorbs]

Thank you both for your speedy responses! 

  

39 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

I've always thought the red V was carried near to the vehicle centreline. Must look at some pics!!!

 

Also, the black background on the wagon plates feels a bit weird.

 

Black background on plates - do you think these would have been mostly grey? Seems like most are painted black in preservation (which may be down to owners choice). Difficult to tell in B&W photos but they appeared darker than the solebars?
Some of the ones in the range are specifically preservation liveries so there may need to be variation here.

 

For the red V, the location is based on the drawings in GWW (p.110 and 112 in my version), the annotation says 'placed near number plate' but I had to make an allowance for the label clip. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Sitham Yard said:

Do you have a date for this please? In theory it should have a wagon plate (could get broken off I expect) and the markings should not be on black patches although I think this sometimes happened. Another possibility is that the bauxite paint was renewed just where the markings go and in a black and white photo a trick of the light could make it look darker. 

Andrew

 

This is one of the humdingers where it has been so hard to find photos or references so what you see here is a rough draft.

Agree on removing the black patches which would match that on most of the vans (interestingly one had quite defined patches but this needs looking in to).
On this artwork the old GW plate is extant with the lettering and numbers in a dark grey to imply they are there but not been repainted recently, though they could be made to be more like that of W24079 with the W and the number in white.
The smaller oval plates visible on some of our reference photos of O11s and V14/V16s are trickier as they tend to be painted the same as the solebar and can't be tooled separately. Possibly something similar to the GW plate or the DO/DN patches on other wagons can be achieved where a lighter or darker shade can infer a plate without it being 3D.

[Sitham Yard]

5 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said:

Thank you both for your speedy responses! 

  

 

Black background on plates - do you think these would have been mostly grey? Seems like most are painted black in preservation (which may be down to owners choice). Difficult to tell in B&W photos but they appeared darker than the solebars?
Some of the ones in the range are specifically preservation liveries so there may need to be variation here.

 

For the red V, the location is based on the drawings in GWW (p.110 and 112 in my version), the annotation says 'placed near number plate' but I had to make an allowance for the label clip. 

 

 

 

This is one of the humdingers where it has been so hard to find photos or references so what you see here is a rough draft.

Agree on removing the black patches which would match that on most of the vans (interestingly one had quite defined patches but this needs looking in to).
On this artwork the old GW plate is extant with the lettering and numbers in a dark grey to imply they are there but not been repainted recently, though they could be made to be more like that of W24079 with the W and the number in white.
The smaller oval plates visible on some of our reference photos of O11s and V14/V16s are trickier as they tend to be painted the same as the solebar and can't be tooled separately. Possibly something similar to the GW plate or the DO/DN patches on other wagons can be achieved where a lighter or darker shade can infer a plate without it being 3D.

Would the oval plates be details of repairs? Would not need to be referred to regularly so not painted?

Andrew