RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 I've just had an online survey to fill in for MoY 2023 with all the usual sections. Under retailer of the year there's no option to choose Derails (my #1 choice) and only an option to say 'o preference' - no chance to nominate someone they hadn't thought of. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Metr0Land said: I've just had an online survey to fill in for MoY 2023 with all the usual sections. Under retailer of the year there's no option to choose Derails (my #1 choice) and only an option to say 'o preference' - no chance to nominate someone they hadn't thought of. What, or who, is the source of this survey? CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, cctransuk said: What, or who, is the source of this survey? CJI. Hornby Magazine as in the thread title. It's the Hornby Magazine Model Railway Awards 2023 not a random survey. As for the question, maybe they weren't nominated? Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Maybe they should have a “my local model shop” option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 Call me cynical, but, surveys which only give a list to pick from are always suspect, a free choice seems a better way of going about things. Mike. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Metr0Land said: I've just had an online survey to fill in for MoY 2023 with all the usual sections. Under retailer of the year there's no option to choose Derails (my #1 choice) and only an option to say 'o preference' - no chance to nominate someone they hadn't thought of. Yes I wanted @Derails Models too, my first choice ideally, but went for TMC instead as they are listed and always great customer service and prices. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Call me cynical, but, surveys which only give a list to pick from are always suspect, a free choice seems a better way of going about things. Mike. It's not a survey though. It's the magazine awards. Never see any moaning when BRM/RMWEB or Model Rail do exactly the same.... Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted September 7, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: It's not a survey though. It's the magazine awards. Never see any moaning when BRM/RMWEB or Model Rail do exactly the same.... Jason rmweb without moaning? I must have missed that thread! 😂 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted September 7, 2023 Moderators Share Posted September 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Never see any moaning when BRM/RMWEB or Model Rail do exactly the same.... I run open nominations for such categories with the ten most nominated items going forward to the final vote to ensure it's as wide and fair as possible. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, AY Mod said: I run open nominations for such categories with the ten most nominated items going forward to the final vote to ensure it's as wide and fair as possible. So do Hornby Magazine. Got the email a few months back as part of the Key Model World mailing list asking for nominations. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Perhaps the nominations for this retailer came off the tracks in the email ether 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: It's not a survey though. It's the magazine awards. Never see any moaning when BRM/RMWEB or Model Rail do exactly the same.... Jason It's surveying people with a view to them making a choice. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 I think the Hornby Magazine reader awards are an excellent institution and provide an accurate view of all that is best in railway modelling. OK my layout came third in the HM vote for layout of the year last year but that doesn't make me the least bit biased. 😉 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Call me cynical, but, surveys which only give a list to pick from are always suspect, a free choice seems a better way of going about things. Mike. The trouble is, with any survey, if people are allowed an unlimited choice it takes more time and hence money to process the results. A simple checkbox can be easily processed by a 'bot so is easier and cheaper. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2023 Oh well apparently other retailers are available... ;) 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Same here, I would have chosen Derails for their customer service. Perhaps a box that said "other, please give details" 1 hour ago, Graham_Muz said: Oh well apparently other retailers are available... ;) You announce that T3 and we will talk 😆 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: It's surveying people with a view to them making a choice. 1 hour ago, Mr chapman said: Perhaps a box that said "other, please give details" Of course when you go and vote in the next general election, you won't be permitted to cast your vote for "other, please give details". Your choice will be limited to the candidates on the ballot paper. The same applies for this vote too. Obviously no-one nominated Derails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 8, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2023 9 hours ago, Dungrange said: Of course when you go and vote in the next general election, you won't be permitted to cast your vote for "other, please give details". Your choice will be limited to the candidates on the ballot paper. The same applies for this vote too. Obviously no-one nominated Derails. Based on your example I doubt many people knowingly voted for incompetent megalomaniacs either! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Based on your example I doubt many people knowingly voted for incompetent megalomaniacs either! Is that not part of the job description? 🤣 Being the party of Government seems to make them worse. We might be better off with "other, please give details" on the ballot form, but alas we have to just pick the best that is on offer. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 8, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dungrange said: Is that not part of the job description? 🤣 Being the party of Government seems to make them worse. We might be better off with "other, please give details" on the ballot form, but alas we have to just pick the best that is on offer. I reckon there should be a "none of the above" box! Mike. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted September 8, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2023 I haven't read a copy of Hornby Magazine for over a decade. and I've never bought anything from Derails. Bearing both those points in mind, would it cynical (or just plain wrong) to suggest that the shortlisted retailers were the most prominent advertisers in Hornby Magazine? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2023 On 07/09/2023 at 15:17, Steamport Southport said: Got the email a few months back as part of the Key Model World mailing list asking for nominations. So they sought nominations, offered the top pollers for this vote. Sounds pretty even-handed to me. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2023 On 07/09/2023 at 18:14, Enterprisingwestern said: It's surveying people with a view to them making a choice. Mike. No - if you look at it what it does it offers you a choice, one vote in each category. It does that because it is a poll, not a survey. Properly constructed surveys include 'check questions' which ask you something they'd asked in an earlier question but now framed in a very different way. And surveys normally ask you, in different ways, to value things against a range of other things. Polls just give you choice of what to vote for under each category and only one vote in that category. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted September 10, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2023 I would agree with Metr0land's original post. I wanted to vote for Derails as they are my go to online option. I was surprised they were not on the list to vote for. Dan and crew provide a fabulous service and are well worth visiting their website. In the end I voted for TMC as always worth a visit to Beck Hole. The online service is excellent too. I do however think Derails should have been included on the voting list. Cheers, Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted September 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2023 15 hours ago, 46444 said: I do however think Derails should have been included on the voting list So...next year... Nominate them when the request for nominations goes out. I suspect they are peeved that no one did, or so few did they didn't make the shortlist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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