57xx Pannier Tank Family, By Accurascale

[The Stationmaster]

21 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

It would be interesting to see the number of people who model pre 1980 who are old enough to remember this.  But whilst pleasing to see, no-one is likely to be able to replicate the noise as it rippled down the train.

It's even more complicated than that because you need to know when the couplings should be allowed to slacken and when they should be kept taut and to help do that you also need a working handbrake on the brakevan.   And once diesels were around starting with slack couplings wasn't quite so essential as it was with steam engines although rail condition could play a part. (and it also taught some Drivers that the straight air brake on a diesel wasn't just for holding the loco at a stand).

 

The equivalent of the straight air brake on a pannoer was - at its most basic - a steam brake on the engine.   Hence the 67XX were - apart from freight shunting jobs - suitable for working an unfitted freight train, or a freight trip, or a yard-to-yard transfer trip.

[TrainsRule88]

1 hour ago, Harlequin said:

How do you shunt a train that is connected by magnetic couplings (i.e. detach and attach vehicles)?

 

At present I am building a 10 foot by one foot layout end to end with a fiddle yard at one end. It is planned to be a heritage railway set in the present day and will feature a station with a run around loop so I don’t plan to do much shunting of wagons. It will feature mostly passenger trains. 
The train will arrive at the station, then run around its train, then depart. So will use the screw link coupling on the ends of the train and magnetic couplings for the rest. 
 

The layout will be modular so can be extended in future so I can look at other options for shunting as when required. 

Edited December 10, 2023 by TrainsRule88
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[PMP]

8 minutes ago, TrainsRule88 said:

. So will use the screw link coupling on the ends of the train and magnetic couplings for the rest.

If you’ve not used ‘three link’ couplings before, in OO if you’re shunting and especially reversing through curves and pointwork with bogie coaches, you need to consider that large radius Peco streamline is about the minimum you can get away with without buffer lock. This is not restricted to Accurascale products, but pretty much all types. Sprung buffers and couplings can sometimes help, but you can’t get past the physics of longer stock and sharp curves.

[Hal Nail]

1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

It would be interesting to see the number of people who model pre 1980 who are old enough to remember this.  But whilst pleasing to see, no-one is likely to be able to replicate the noise as it rippled down the train.

 

You can see it from the Queen Mary verandah at most Midhants galas! And despite warnings there is always at least one arrogant berk who refuses to hold on and gets thrown across the van when the couplings snatch up suddenly!

[Michael Hodgson]

1 hour ago, PMP said:

If you’ve not used ‘three link’ couplings before, in OO if you’re shunting and especially reversing through curves and pointwork with bogie coaches, you need to consider that large radius Peco streamline is about the minimum you can get away with without buffer lock. This is not restricted to Accurascale products, but pretty much all types. Sprung buffers and couplings can sometimes help, but you can’t get past the physics of longer stock and sharp curves.

There is an alternative solution to the problem (sometimes adopted in O gauge coarse) of using overscale buffer heads.

 

For coaching stock and bogie goods wagons, a practical approach is to use a single link of suitable length made from stiff wire and a slot in the buffer beam allowing the coupling hook and link to swing laterally on tight curves.  If you add another bit of wire hanging down to represent a tommy bar, it's a passable compromise to represent a screw coupling.  But they are a b*gger to couple under gangways!

[Michael Hodgson]

29 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

 

You can see it from the Queen Mary verandah at most Midhants galas! And despite warnings there is always at least one arrogant berk who refuses to hold on and gets thrown across the van when the couplings snatch up suddenly!

... serves him right.  No sympathy!

[Wickham Green too]

9 hours ago, woodenhead said:

... no-one is likely to be able to replicate the noise as it rippled down the train.

I thought you could do everything with DCC !

[Harlequin]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

I thought you could do everything with DCC !

No. DCC control can’t do everything. But it can do a lot more than DC…

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Harlequin

[57xx]

On 10/12/2023 at 11:51, PMP said:

 Sprung buffers and couplings can sometimes help, but you can’t get past the physics of longer stock and sharp curves.

 

If the springs are actually soft enough to allow the buffers to compress. Unlike on some recent models.

[Halvarras]

In the late 1970s I built some stock with PC etched 3-links. They came with a length of soft iron wire to form the end link to permit coupling/uncoupling with a magnetic shunter's pole. All very well but in practice the two other links being flat etched made them very uncooperative and a fiddly job even more frustrating - I never went there again.

[Fredo]

Hi Fran, I’m looking forward to the Pannier Tanks, are you thinking of doing one of the 9700 to 9710 batch at some point 

As you can see from the photo they had some different equipment fitted for working on LT. 

Also have you considered 5775 in the livery it carried in The Railway Children film. Thanks Fred

[MikeParkin65]

1 hour ago, Fredo said:

Also have you considered 5775 in the livery it carried in The Railway Children film. Thanks Fred

Not sure how well this would do - the Bachmann train RC train pack seemed to hang around for a long while and still doesnt attract a premium on the second hand market. 

[Fair Oak Junction]

Plus would require licensing from Studio Canal, which would increase costs.

[Steamport Southport]

Not if you do it in Worth Valley livery.....

 

https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/5775-2/

 

 

 

 

Jason

[Wickham Green too]

That would need the London Transport cab roof modification which Accurascale haven't announced ........................ er ... yet ?

[maico]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

That would need the London Transport cab roof modification which Accurascale haven't announced ........................ er ... yet ?

 

I thought they had mentioned a LT version later. Perhaps photographic grey too.

 

Looking through the spec. I can't see mention if the body is die-cast or plastic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by maico

[brianthesnail96]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

That would need the London Transport cab roof modification which Accurascale haven't announced ........................ er ... yet ?

 

I'd be very surprised if they haven't (along with the tripcocks etc to do one in LT condition). 

[BVMR21]

1 hour ago, brianthesnail96 said:

I'd be very surprised if they haven't (along with the tripcocks etc to do one in LT condition). 

The initial announcement did say that there is provision for the LT examples are included within the tooling.

Edited December 14, 2023 by BVMR21

[MonsalDale]

Has anything been said on whether these will be convertible to EM gauge?

[1466]

9 hours ago, MonsalDale said:

Has anything been said on whether these will be convertible to EM gauge?

A couple of us have asked and are awaiting a reply .

[Captain Kernow]

10 hours ago, MonsalDale said:

Has anything been said on whether these will be convertible to EM gauge?

Closely related to conversion possibilities is whether the body can be simply and easily removed from the chassis, as per the Bachmann pannier...

 

Thus allowing the modeller to provide their own choice of P4 or EM chassis, with their own choice of motor and gearbox, should that be desired.

 

[Wickham Green too]

Some of us would desire prefer not to chuck a perfectly serviceable - though narrow gauge - chassis in the bin ...... trusting that the manufacturer had made a rational choice of motor & gearbox.

[Accurascale Fran]

Hi folks,

 

At this moment we remain non-committal on EM/P4 conversion of the Panniers as despite setting into each project with thought given to it, it hasn't always got all the way though the manufacturing process with it still being easy by the end. So, despite best intentions, it has come back and bit us on the bum.

 

Diesels are a lot easier for this so we can say them with some confidence, but steam is a different kettle (soz) of fish for us to consider.

 

That said, one of our Manors has been converted to EM ahead of a forthcoming article in everyone's favourite finescale journal, and without giving too much away, the modeller in question has informed us it was quite straightforward enough using the existing chassis, and indeed has been quite complimentary. We will do our level best to make the Panniers at least the same as that, but we shant be using it as a selling point just yet!

 

Hope this helps!

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

[Miss Prism]

Opinions differ (and different locos will have different needs), but, generally:

 

- 23mm is tight

- 23.5 is better

- 24mm allows a 3-axled thing to go round curves

 

[1466]

39 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said:

Hi folks,

 

At this moment we remain non-committal on EM/P4 conversion of the Panniers as despite setting into each project with thought given to it, it hasn't always got all the way though the manufacturing process with it still being easy by the end. So, despite best intentions, it has come back and bit us on the bum.

 

Diesels are a lot easier for this so we can say them with some confidence, but steam is a different kettle (soz) of fish for us to consider.

 

That said, one of our Manors has been converted to EM ahead of a forthcoming article in everyone's favourite finescale journal, and without giving too much away, the modeller in question has informed us it was quite straightforward enough using the existing chassis, and indeed has been quite complimentary. We will do our level best to make the Panniers at least the same as that, but we shant be using it as a selling point just yet!

 

Hope this helps!

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

Thanks Fran . Great news and I await MRJ  with feverish anticipation!