rob D2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, TrainsRule88 said: Most of this wish listing is in regards to actual locomotives and rolling stock. But what about some scenic items, buildings & infrastructure. Bachmann have their scenecraft range. I think it would be nice to see some more modern image platforms available. For example a platform with modern tactile paving built in and maybe a modern footbridge with lifts. Good idea . It seems the smaller manufacturers step in with lot of modern detail like resin stuff and 3D printed . I’m wondering if the scenecraft range has issues with making stuff economically to make a profit but that will sell. some of the stuff is quite pricey now , which is why for things like diesel depots , I’ll get some styrene and make my own 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainsRule88 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 hours ago, rob D2 said: Good idea . It seems the smaller manufacturers step in with lot of modern detail like resin stuff and 3D printed . I’m wondering if the scenecraft range has issues with making stuff economically to make a profit but that will sell. some of the stuff is quite pricey now , which is why for things like diesel depots , I’ll get some styrene and make my own Yes the scenecraft range is expensive. But I think there is definitely a market for more scenic items and buildings. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted December 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2023 Yeah, the Scenecraft range is a tough one. Some of the items I think are worth the investment, but others just aren't. For example I was looking at the southern region style Carriage Shed they do, which is about £70. But even a very mediocre modeller like me could probably scratchbuild a model of one. It's far from a complex design, and could be done easily using plasticard sheets for far less money. However there a fair few buildings in the range I couldn't imagine doing myself, so would probably just buy off the shelf. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said: Yeah, the Scenecraft range is a tough one. Some of the items I think are worth the investment, but others just aren't. For example I was looking at the southern region style Carriage Shed they do, which is about £70. But even a very mediocre modeller like me could probably scratchbuild a model of one. It's far from a complex design, and could be done easily using plasticard sheets for far less money. However there a fair few buildings in the range I couldn't imagine doing myself, so would probably just buy off the shelf. TBH, if you have any ambition for your layout to be portable, there's also the issue of weight to consider... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 31/12/2023 at 12:27, Steamport Southport said: BTW what is amongst the most produced RTR British outline locomotive? One that lasted six years in the form modelled and never left Swindon Works. Yet they've sold more of them than many model manufacturers have even made models. I think Mr Holland should stick to making pies as he knows nothing about model railway manufacturing. A bit rude about a guy who did a lot to keep 3mm scale alive in the 1970s. You miss the point though, the two of anything quote is about the phenomenon we see here, namely, that there isn't a loco built that someone somewhere doesn't want to see in model form. Success comes from identifying other factors. That Swindon Works loco is a successful RTR model because Hornby market it as a cheap, junior's starter set loco. I never realised it was actually a real loco, I'd always assumed it was some pattern makers fudge around an existing chassis. The Titfield stuff works because it has a hook and it's different. Less successful ventures struggle because not enough see the potential 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Hi Gang, I would love to see Kernow reduce the PRA China Clay wagon to N Gauge. Early AC electrics (81-85) are an obvious gap, now that the 87 and 90 are being/have been revamped. Farish could do well to tool up a 5 bay Mk1 BSO, therefore allowing a BSOT to be modelled a bit easier. AC units have got to be the future low hanging fruit, with the 387 already in the research stage. And to go with it all, some decent catenary portals and head spans. Later, Stu from NRSW 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONK43 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Well considering Bachmann already have released the class 44`s in BR Blue, 44 004, 005, 006, 008, I am surprised that no others have been released, i.e 44 001, 002 etc. This is a fairly easy thing to do, re numbering only. Probably the market too small to warrant doing this, so we do it ourselves. Have converted a 21 pin to 44 008, so now has lighting functions. bought a grimy times 21 pin converted to 44 002. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just seen this so joining in the fun... Obvious ones missing from the ranges available to me are; J21 B16 (all types) Q7 BR Standard 3MT A8 New tooled 8F, A3, A4 New tooled HST and Mk. 3s with lighting in coach and CDL Decent unbranded TEA tank wagons with oil stains and weathering Long welded rail train Working tamper Class 170/171 New tooled class 220/221/222 Voyager/Meridian Mk.2z in choc and Cream a la Vintage Trains rake (dare I say) new tooled Mk. 1 with working lights Bagnall Victor/Valiant/Vulcan Saddle Tank engine 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted January 13 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, The Black Hat said: Just seen this so joining in the fun... Obvious ones missing from the ranges available to me are; J21 B16 (all types) Q7 BR Standard 3MT A8 New tooled 8F, A3, A4 Anything please, but no more A3 and A4s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, rprodgers said: Anything please, but no more A3 and A4s. They need all the DCC fitting as standard, even if not full retool. The Hornby Dublo looks to be an A4 retool in disguise so probably not needed - but A3 still needs DCC ready and sound available as standard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Black Hat said: They need all the DCC fitting as standard, even if not full retool. The Hornby Dublo looks to be an A4 retool in disguise so probably not needed - but A3 still needs DCC ready and sound available as standard I'd imagine that's already in the works. It's been done on the two most recent Bulleid Light Pacifics and I'd think it'll be on future releases of all other locos as-and-when. Look out for a revised loco-to-tender coupling. Ignore catalogue images because (on past form) they will probably still show the first China-made version of whichever loco it is with just a new name and number overlaid... ☠️ I haven't yet had the lid off one, but the addition of the metal running plate to the A3 must have required a fairly heavy partial retool. If the WC is anything to go by, the DCC/sound update is mainly confined to the tender. It doesn't seem to involve the loco beyond the new coupling and (presumably) associated rewiring. The loco tooling for the WC is older than both the A3 and A4 and appears otherwise untouched. That suggests (to me, at least) that Hornby's priority is to extend that latest DCC specification across the range a.s.a.p. Most locos will require fairly comprehensive retooling to incorporate the newest innovations (working steam and headlamps), though, and it seems reasonable to think that is likely to happen more gradually. John Edited January 14 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert7111a Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 My wish list.... Bulleid 2-EPB - or even a 4EPB/4SUB Later batch 2-HAP (any from 6106 onwards) AL3 (Class 83) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiltern Junction Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 HTV wagons have always struck me as an obvious gap. Tons of them built, could be seen all over the country and lasted well into the 80s/90s. I'd imagine they would sell very well 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted January 19 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19 Getting this back to what I think was the original intention - identifying holes in specific areas - anyone modelling the cross-London lines in the transition era (as I just happen to do) still needs: SR C2X, W and Q classes ER J6, J17, J19, J20 and F5 LMR Fowler and Stanier 2-6-2Ts, Midland 2F and Tilbury Tank WR 97xx condensing tank + Oerlikon, Watford or 501 EMUs. and doubtless a couple of others I’ve forgotten. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standards_in_OO Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 13/01/2024 at 01:19, The Black Hat said: Just seen this so joining in the fun... Obvious ones missing from the ranges available to me are; J21 B16 (all types) Q7 BR Standard 3MT A8 New tooled 8F, A3, A4 New tooled HST and Mk. 3s with lighting in coach and CDL Decent unbranded TEA tank wagons with oil stains and weathering Long welded rail train Working tamper Class 170/171 New tooled class 220/221/222 Voyager/Meridian Mk.2z in choc and Cream a la Vintage Trains rake (dare I say) new tooled Mk. 1 with working lights Bagnall Victor/Valiant/Vulcan Saddle Tank engine Would it be financially viable for any manufacturer other than Hornby to retool an A3 or A4 considering they have the licence to make Flying Scotsman plus all the preserved A4s? New Mk1s is a good shout though, Bachmann haven’t released any for a while and the WCRC ones were announced ages ago. Hopefully there will be an update on these in the Spring 24 range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Standards_in_OO said: Would it be financially viable for any manufacturer other than Hornby to retool an A3 or A4 considering they have the licence to make Flying Scotsman plus all the preserved A4s? Do they though? And if they do, is it an exclusive license? If Hornby can apparently sell A3s and A4s by the truck load (across several detail levels) then why wouldn't it behove another manufacturer to produce a "more definitive" version? Bachmann's A4 did very well for a long time given the age of the tooling, so why not do a new one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 hours ago, frobisher said: Do they though? And if they do, is it an exclusive license? If Hornby can apparently sell A3s and A4s by the truck load (across several detail levels) then why wouldn't it behove another manufacturer to produce a "more definitive" version? Bachmann's A4 did very well for a long time given the age of the tooling, so why not do a new one? Yes. Note that Flying Scotsman, Mallard, Sir Nigel Gresley, Bittern (via LSL), Tornado and Prince Of Wales are also on that list. https://uk.Hornby.com/terms-conditions/licensing Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standards_in_OO Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 14 hours ago, frobisher said: Do they though? And if they do, is it an exclusive license? If Hornby can apparently sell A3s and A4s by the truck load (across several detail levels) then why wouldn't it behove another manufacturer to produce a "more definitive" version? Bachmann's A4 did very well for a long time given the age of the tooling, so why not do a new one? I’m not sure if it’s exclusive but can be seen in the previous post that Hornby have a licence for various locomotives that are preserved. Based on Bachman’s recent pattern of releases, I’m not sure I could see them doing either of these however I have been incorrect with my predictions previously plus with the duplications already out there anything is possible! The financially viable aspect is something they would obviously have to consider, as with any new model. Edited January 21 by Standards_in_OO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 Bachmann still have a very poor A4 model. What would you do the Hornby oA3 as they have just changed that? Perhaps a Skittle Alley (A2) might be a better bet.. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted January 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, Barry O said: What would you do the Hornby oA3 as they have just changed that? They missed a trick or two when they did it. The motion is still very generic and the motion bracket and expansion link in particular are awful and have needed addressing for several iterations of the model - it's shown up badly by the A2s and the forthcoming Black Five. The Black Five has noticeably finer bogie wheels too, though I'm waiting for tales of woe when it is run on older points. A few tweaks below the running plate would really lift the A3. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor43002 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 From a personal wishlist but one Livery that is lacking in RTR model form is the old Wales & West/ Wales & Borders and Wessex Trains liveries. Especially with the new tooling 158s, there are so many different livery variations that can be done and each 150/2 had its own unique "Pictogram" livery. Jumping forward a few years a 150 & 158 in the FGW 'Local Lines' livery would go nicely with the Local Lines 153 Hornby have just announced too! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 The 54xx pannier tanks would just about sew up the Western Region of BR. And we shall be spoiled for choice for auto trailers to go with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 19 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Yes. Note that Flying Scotsman, Mallard, Sir Nigel Gresley, Bittern (via LSL), Tornado and Prince Of Wales are also on that list. https://uk.Hornby.com/terms-conditions/licensing Particular locos are on the list; But it would seem that Dapol are able to produce (in N, can't find any details of their Black Label 00 models at the moment) 2S-011-008A3 Flying Scotsman 60103 BR Green Late Crest (As Preserved) 2S-008-016A4 Valanced Mallard 4468 Garter Blue & 4 Gresley Teak Coaches 2S-008-017A4 Sir Nigel Gresley 60007 BR Express Blue E/C as preserved Which might suggest the licences are not that exclusive (to a particular scale at best) Also, Bachmann also produce; 32-550DLNER A1 60163 'Tornado' BR Lined Green (Late Crest) And have previously done 5 versions of it, ditto Mallard, Sir Nigel Gresley and Bittern I'm suspecting many of those licences are non-exclusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Class 312 Class 313 Class 315 Class 317 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, letterspider said: Class 312 Class 313 Class 315 Class 317 If you're going to do any one of those, there are obvious bolt ons; 312 - 310 313 and 315 - 314, 507 and 508 317 - 318, 455, 456 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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