RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted February 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21 I am running low on my bottle of Glue n Glaze and locally, it is out of stock. Now call me skeptical but would I be right in thinking that actually this is just bog standard PVA Glue watered down and served up in a fancy little bottle with a hefty mark up? If so, what are the likely water to glue ratio? Bog standard PVA Glue I can get for as little as 99p for a big bottle and the proper Glue n Glaze is ruddy expensive for what it is I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasdavetheroad Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 A online search reveals PVA is Poly Vinyl Acetate and Glue n Glaze is Ethylene Vinyl Acetate (EVA). Both are adhesives. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 After fifty plus years of modelling I have just discovered Glue’n Glaze. Unbelievably good. The tiny amount required and the zero collateral damage must far outweigh any initial costs. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted February 22 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22 (edited) I have been using canopy glue for some years now to stick many materials together aswell as what it was originally bought for. However is has become much harder to get and I haven't seen the larger bottles in some year, so I had started using R/C modellers craft glue which also states for canopies and windows. Seems to work much the same. Recently I haven't been able to get that either so now I have a bottle of Speed bond to try out. PS.. John, I guess that I am using the same place as you to buy these from - Squires. Edited February 22 by roundhouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 https://www.stormsure.com/flexibond-vae-emulsion-adhesive-vinyl-acetate-ethylene-500ml.html CJI. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 22 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22 (edited) 21 hours ago, John M Upton said: Now call me skeptical but would I be right in thinking that actually this is just bog standard PVA Glue watered down and served up in a fancy little bottle with a hefty mark up? Most "modelling" consumables are just that. 50ml modelling MEK? £7. Generic butanone/MEK 500ml, £8.99. Microsol, 28ml, ~£7. Butyl glycol* (99%, needs a lot of diluting) 1000ml, £10. Microset, 28ml, £7. White Vinegar from Asda. You get the drift. I have got a bottle of clear PVA from The Works, not tried it as glue 'n' glaze though but it has held glazing in place nicely. I'm sure EVA can be had at a decent rate. *Edit: Butyl glycol is also the key component of Vallejo thinners. 1l would probably last a life time with the amount it needs diluting (down to about 25%). Edited February 22 by 57xx 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The cost of specialist adhesives like Glue’n Glaze can be offset by sourcing general pva from a builders supply merchant in 5 litre containers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I am of the opinion that many specialist products use something like PVA as a base but with with additives of some sort or another to enhance the properties of the product. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted February 23 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, chiefpenguin said: I am of the opinion that many specialist products use something like PVA as a base but with with additives of some sort or another to enhance the properties of the product. Agreed, I bought some tile paint a while back then noticed it was basically PVA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Old saying "Don't spoil the ship for an ha'porth of tar!" Never understood the reasoning of trying to do things on the cheap when you are only saving a few pennies.... Jason 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Old saying "Don't spoil the ship for an ha'porth of tar!" Never understood the reasoning of trying to do things on the cheap when you are only saving a few pennies.... Jason You're not 'spoiling the ship' if you buy (many times more cheaply) the exact same product in a bulk quantity, rather than a repacked tiny quantity. Still if you have money to burn ..... CJI. Edited February 23 by cctransuk 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhaireddavid Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 21 hours ago, 57xx said: Most "modelling" consumables are just that. 50ml modelling MEK? £7. Generic butanone/MEK 500ml, £8.99. Microsol, 28ml, ~£7. Butyl glycol* (99%, needs a lot of diluting) 1000ml, £10. Microset, 28ml, £7. White Vinegar from Asda. You get the drift. I have got a bottle of clear PVA from The Works, not tried it as glue 'n' glaze though but it has held glazing in place nicely. I'm sure EVA can be had at a decent rate. *Edit: Butyl glycol is also the key component of Vallejo thinners. 1l would probably last a life time with the amount it needs diluting (down to about 25%). I go to Amazon £9.99 for a litre of MEK or a litre of 99.98% IPA. My go to wood glue is Titebond which, in spite of being yellow, sticks canopies fine and dries clear. Just used it for ballasting as well. Edited February 23 by Longhaireddavid 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 23 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, doilum said: The cost of specialist adhesives like Glue’n Glaze can be offset by sourcing general pva from a builders supply merchant in 5 litre containers. 54 minutes ago, cctransuk said: You're not 'spoiling the ship' if you buy (many times cheaper) the exact same product in a bulk quantity, rather than a repacked tiny quantity. Still if you have money to burn ..... CJI. Which is all well and good if you''re going gainfully use the entire contents before they go off. I used to buy 5l anti mould PVA in my plumbing days to seal floors and walls where required, once diluted I got up to 6 bathrooms done so god knows how many modelling applications it would encompass! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted February 23 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: I got up to 6 bathrooms done so god knows how many modelling applications it would encompass! You detail the bathrooms on your models. Kudos. I bet Noch do suitable figures. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Don’t ever recall throwing away pva because it has “ gone off”. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 24 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24 On 23/02/2024 at 15:23, Steamport Southport said: Old saying "Don't spoil the ship for an ha'porth of tar! Never understood the reasoning of trying to do things on the cheap when you are only saving a few pennies.... You have a strange concept of pennies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 If you want an example of saving money like this, you only have to walk into Tesco & look at the prices of Coco-Cola. Tesco put both the retail price of the item, and also the price per litre (or some other measurement). Check the latter price for a single can/small bottle, or multiple packs thereof, against bigger bottles such as 2L bottles or others. The larger quantity that you purchase, the cheaper per unit iit becomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) On 24/02/2024 at 18:41, stewartingram said: If you want an example of saving money like this, you only have to walk into Tesco & look at the prices of Coco-Cola. Tesco put both the retail price of the item, and also the price per litre (or some other measurement). Check the latter price for a single can/small bottle, or multiple packs thereof, against bigger bottles such as 2L bottles or others. The larger quantity that you purchase, the cheaper per unit iit becomes. Ah but, Choke-a-Cola tastes different between the cans and the 2lr plastic bottles. Edited February 25 by chiefpenguin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 25 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, stewartingram said: If you want an example of saving money like this, you only have to walk into Tesco & look at the prices of Coco-Cola. Tesco put both the retail price of the item, and also the price per litre (or some other measurement). Check the latter price for a single can/small bottle, or multiple packs thereof, against bigger bottles such as 2L bottles or others. The larger quantity that you purchase, the cheaper per unit iit becomes. Unless you knock the larger, cheaper bottle off in pretty short order it goes flat and you throw it away, so cheapest is not necessarily best. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexAshton Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 23/02/2024 at 15:55, cctransuk said: You're not 'spoiling the ship' if you buy (many times more cheaply) the exact same product in a bulk quantity, rather than a repacked tiny quantity. Still if you have money to burn ..... CJI. Maybe not but then neither are you helping the suppliers on which we all rely. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted February 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26 On 25/02/2024 at 08:31, Enterprisingwestern said: Unless you knock the larger, cheaper bottle off in pretty short order it goes flat and you throw it away, so cheapest is not necessarily best. Mike. Some of us prefer it flat! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 18 minutes ago, Downer said: Some of us prefer it flat! Some of us don't like it at all! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 26/02/2024 at 09:55, Downer said: Some of us prefer it flat! The genuine stuff used to be good for cleaning things like motorbike parts but not any more - they must have taken something out of it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, chiefpenguin said: The genuine stuff used to be good for cleaning things like motorbike parts but not any more - they must have taken something out of it. Back in the day I had a mate who was a works rally mechanic. I was impressed by the range of spares that were tie wrapped to a frame on the inside of the barge ( van). These included three two litre bottles of Coke. When I asked if these were emergency provisions for the crew he said they were there to flush out the clutch in the case of an oil leak. They had cut access holes in the bell housing and after a good shaking would apply the brown stuff. This would be sufficient to get the car through the next couple of stages to the service point where the gearbox could be removed to do the job properly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Deluxe Glue n glaze has a slight rubbery texture to it. I use it for sticking window frames into wood buildings, as well as it's primary function. A bottle goes a long way. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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