RMweb Premium dale159 Posted April 27 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27 (edited) One notable omission from the Bachmann Mk1 range to date has been an Intercity Executive RMB, think they've done just about every other livery they've been in even NSE. Dale Edited April 27 by dale159 Changed exception to omission 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 42 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: I am sure it must be my eyesight but the new bogie designs appear to suffer the same as the old ones. Have a butchers at the brake and wheel interface. If your eyesight is wonky, then so is mine. It has rather put me off the WCRC coaches too. Let’s hope Mr. Bullock is right and Mr. Proudman has gone to Specsavers. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27 8 minutes ago, No Decorum said: If your eyesight is wonky, then so is mine. It has rather put me off the WCRC coaches too. Let’s hope Mr. Bullock is right and Mr. Proudman has gone to Specsavers. According to SWMBO there’s a very low probability of that!!! 😀 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted April 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27 Excellent news! I await news of which prototypes in what livery with interest. Now then Mr Bachmann, how about a BFK to complete the set? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, dale159 said: One notable omission from the Bachmann Mk1 range to date has been an Intercity Executive RMB, think they've done just about every other livery they've been in even NSE. Dale Like this: RMB 1871 Reading_1 16-07-99 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 8 hours ago, AY Mod said: The Diagram 183 Brake Second Opens were built from 1955, and by 1960 a total of 163 vehicles had been completed. A further 18 BSOs were built in 1963 which had an internal door splitting the seating bays in two to create a non-smoking area. Seats were provided at tables for 31 passengers, along with a toilet, guard’s compartment and an area for luggage. The Mark 1 BSO as built had 39 seats, not 31. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: I am sure it must be my eyesight but the new bogie designs appear to suffer the same as the old ones. Have a butchers at the brake and wheel interface. I think you are right. However, brake blocks in line with 00 wheels are a nuisance when converting carriages to EM and usually have to be removed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClikC Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 RB saves me having to finish the Mainline bodge I've not been working on for like 6 years... Nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) Diag 24 page from Diagram book index. Note that the quantity for the 1644-99 batch is shown incorrectly and should be 56. Most of the WR allocation was maroon when new but W1729-32 were chocolate and cream and W1646 was repainted in that livery when almost new and ran in The Bristolian. The remainder of that set carried a trial batch of B4 bogies. Bogie types are not mentioned but the first BRCW lot had BR heavy duty bogies when new and all others Commonwealth. Most of the first batch were rebogied pretty early on. The S1716-24 batch and E1714-5 were converted to 4 Rep buffet cars. Diag_24_Diag-book-index-sheet by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Edited April 27 by robertcwp Typo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb4141 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Have Bachmann said whether these have better detailing compared to their existing Mk1’s? Or are they produced to exactly the same spec? I appreciate there have been some minor upgrades recently (end steps and bogies etc,) but it’s quite unusual to have something ‘new’ made to the same tooling standard as something 25 years old (if that is the case). I just wonder how they will compare to , for instance, Accurascale’s recent Mk2B coaches? All that said, it’s great to see more types added! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) Well I didn't see that coming! Not sure if I'm delighted or not as Hornby do them - admittedly without the ccm.... I've also done BSOs and FOs residing Bachmann coaches. But with respect to the RBs, my research suggests that they were deployed to the ECML in 1960 can anyone confirm? Addendum: Bother. I've just read Robert's table. It was in1960 Edited April 27 by davidw Add some thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted April 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27 Hopefully more new versions are going to appear soon, will be good to be able to put together a full charter rake with the window frames present Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted April 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27 (edited) That must be a record! The very first post after the announcement was a request for a different model in different scale… 😃 Edited April 28 by Harlequin 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) Excellent on all counts. FO much needed for my railtour rake (surprised its taken them this long, but I can imagine a WCRC example or two will be in this first batch). RB similarly as additional kitchen will be very useful. Intercity Charter (White Roof) would indeed be very striking). Also would hope for a BFK at some future point. But also glad to see that they are still investing in expanding the excellent Mk1 range. Edited April 27 by G-BOAF 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, davidw said: Well I didn't see that coming! Not sure if I'm delighted or not as Hornby do them - admittedly without the ccm.... I've also done BSOs and FOs residing Bachmann coaches. But with respect to the RBs, my research suggests that they were deployed to the ECML in 1960 can anyone confirm? Addendum: Bother. I've just read Robert's table. It was in1960 Hornby did some, but it will still be cheaper to get the Hornby model and a spare Bachmann bogie and dremel the two together... as I have done to get modern coach rakes completed. repaint too if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markn Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Interesting thoughts on how advanced these are into production or maybe already here? Locomotion have their NRM MK1 support coach down as ready to ship mid May. So did that come with the recently released WCRC Mk1's or is it coming with these ones? Or maybe they all came together? 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted April 28 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28 21 hours ago, AY Mod said: Between 1980 and 1981, BR converted 18 BSOs into BSOT Micro-Buffets – the T standing for Trolley. The conversion saw the toilet turned into a store and the first bay of seating removed to make room for a counter into which a trolley could be slotted, allowing the option for customers to be served at the counter, or at their seats throughout the train from the trolley. This variant is also modelled as part of the new tooling. Having converted 5 Hornby BSO's to BSOT's in the last 6 months, fellow RM Webbers will probably understand my quandery. Do I grin and bare it with the lower standard, poorly coloured paint Hornby versions or bite the bullet and upgrade to Bachmann BSO's and another programme of conversion work? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mophead45143 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Really excellent news! This will save me having to re-spray my Hornby RB's to improve the blue / grey match with other Bachmann stock. I think that brings my total Hornby stock down to just a couple of parcel vans and the odd wagon now, and they're arguably surplus to requirements. Just goes to show how much they have to offer blue and grey era modelers! Cameron 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 hours ago, nickb4141 said: Have Bachmann said whether these have better detailing compared to their existing Mk1’s? Or are they produced to exactly the same spec? I appreciate there have been some minor upgrades recently (end steps and bogies etc,) but it’s quite unusual to have something ‘new’ made to the same tooling standard as something 25 years old (if that is the case). I just wonder how they will compare to , for instance, Accurascale’s recent Mk2B coaches? All that said, it’s great to see more types added! Interesting question as the latest MK1 top stowage vans have additional detail in terms of underframe steps and Eth detail lacking in the original release. It would be nice to think these coaches could be suitably equipped. But could also understand Bachmann wanting similar standards to the original range for consistency. From the looks of the EP it might be a one piece body shell rather than the separate sides and integral ends/underframe of the original releases 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted April 28 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28 57 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: From the looks of the EP it might be a one piece body shell rather than the separate sides and integral ends/underframe of the original releases That's what I'm seeing too. But the "gashy" original releases are then going to look silly against these. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Hi, looking forward to the new Mark 1 BSO RB and FO’s, especially the RB’s with BR type 1 bogies. Were any of the above built between January and December 1960? Also do you know which months of 1961 FO’s 3101-3103 were built? Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, looking forward to the new Mark 1 BSO RB and FO’s, especially the RB’s with BR type 1 bogies. Were any of the above built between January and December 1960? Also do you know which months of 1961 FO’s 3101-3103 were built? Thanks Fred Parkin lists Lot 30648 3101 to 3103 for the Scottish Region completed in June 1961. Bob Edited April 28 by Bob Reid Got the region wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Daddyman said: That's what I'm seeing too. But the "gashy" original releases are then going to look silly against these. I respectfully disagree. I've run tpos and Pullman's in mixed rake with the original mk1s and they really look fine. Body side profiles match as do u/f and bogie detail (even on Pullman's with a different c/w bogie tooling that incorporates pickups) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Two Mark 1 BSOs at the front of this train: 1964_1V86_Reddings-between-Cheltenham-Gloucester_3-69 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 The chocolate and cream BSO in The Cathedrals Express was W9272. I found a photo of it a while back. Railway Observer stated W9276 which was either a typo or there were two in the livery, 7021_Cathedrals_1961 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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