RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 Just received an email from Hattons to say some of the auto ballasters are now in stock http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=23625 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted November 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 Picked up my Railtrack Generator Unit from Alton Model Centre on Friday; a fantastic model! I look forward to the rest of the rake being released. They must be the wagon of the year! Godfrey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Just received an email from Hattons to say some of the auto ballasters are now in stock http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=23625 I hope they've been painted though Very very excited........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I hope they've been painted though Very very excited........... The one I saw at my local shop was engineer yellow. Bit off my timescale. My idea of an Auto ballaster would be a BR guy twisting the wheels on a Dogfish after a long night on the beer. Incidentally, and to veer off, what did they do before these bits of kit were invented? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold kipford Posted November 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 Mines going straight to Santa got to wait anoth 6 weeks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 My idea of an Auto ballaster would be a BR guy twisting the wheels on a Dogfish after a long night on the beer. Incidentally, and to veer off, what did they do before these bits of kit were invented? They had things called ploughvans …….. and shovels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I have lay my cards on the table here, an auto ballaster is an autoballaster. Having video'd them in the 1990s were the yellow ones the same as the blue and grey ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 8, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 I have lay my cards on the table here, an auto ballaster is an autoballaster. Not sure what you are trying to say here Coach, I think the nitpicking got lost in the translation Having video'd then in the 1990s were the yellow ones the same as the blue and grey ones? The yellow ones are the same as the blue/grey - but the paint scheme is newer, not that all of them carry the yellow livery, even to this day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB 34067 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Not sure what you are trying to say here Coach, I think the nitpicking got lost in the translation The yellow ones are the same as the blue/grey - but the paint scheme is newer, not that all of them carry the yellow livery, even to this day. Is this Network rail yellow or something else?? Also do these have lighting onboard them as im sure when they were announced they were to be fitted with lights, Cheers James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 8, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2010 Is this Network rail yellow or something else?? Also do these have lighting onboard them as im sure when they were announced they were to be fitted with lights, Cheers James Yes and don't know (yet) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I cannot see how asking a question on livery and stating ones own lack of knowledge on autoballasters can be construed as nit-picking..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB 34067 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Do they not have lights on them then for when they drop ballast ?? thats the JJA auto ballaster outer generator wagon im on about, sorry but Im not really into wagons So is there Network rail livery one going on sell too or you on about the Dapol wagons James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 8, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2010 The one I saw at my local shop was engineer yellow. I hope not.... (or at least I can't find any phots yet). Bachmann are doing the JJA Autoballaster at the moment, AFAIK, there aren't any painted yellow. JJA Autoballasters are individual wagons with buffers at each end, but are usually found in 5-sets. HQA's are similar to a JJA, but are run as fixed sets of 5 with knuckle couplers within sets - there are HQA's in yellow. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Oh god, its suddenly getting expensive and there are still the Rex and Modelrail limited editions as well. Fantastic looking wagon so can't wait to get a rake to run behind the DRS 37s REx made earlier in the year.B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Vale Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Hattons have charged my CC for the generator wagon I pre-ordered, let's hope the rest of the rake isn't far behind. I'm really looking forward to seeing these in the flesh, the MOAs earlier this year whetted my appetite considerably Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 9, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2010 I cannot see how asking a question on livery and stating ones own lack of knowledge on autoballasters can be construed as nit-picking..... auto ballaster or autoballaster - does it matter (assuming that was the point you were trying to make) ? - and digressing somewhat from the point of the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 9, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2010 38-210 JJA Mk2 Auto-Ballaster Generator Unit Railtrack 38-211 JJA Mk2 Auto-Ballaster Non-Generator Unit (Flat Top Profile) Railtrack 38-212 JJA Mk2 Auto-Ballaster Non-Generator Unit (Curved Top Profile) Railtrack I'm assuming you can mix the flat and curved top wagons randomly? I've never paid that close attention as they pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 I think coachmanns point was not how the word should be spelt but that the yellow ones are the same as the blue ones - ie both are autoballasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 9, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2010 Hi folks, Although I'm not a 4mm modeller, I thought I might try and clarify things here.... The Bachmann model represents the JJA autoballasters. These were the original versions converted from Tiphook aggregate hoppers. Spotting points: buffers at both ends of all wagons, Y25 fabricated bogies, large air tank fitted laterally beneath cowling, "open" discharge chutes. Variations within the type: Some have generators fitted, some not, and some have "cut down" ends to the hopper. This is because the donor wagons, in a former life, had their ends cut down to clear a loading hopper in the Peak District (Tunstead, IIRC.) Some JJAs have slightly "flattened" sides (again, depending on original donor wagon) but I don't think Bachmann have attempted this type. There also exist a second type of autoballaster coded HQA. These were built new for Railtrack; and subsequently for Network Rail. Bachmann have not, yet, attempted this type. Spotting points: Run in fixed five wagon sets with a Generator Outer-Inner-Inner-Inner-Non-generator outer. Buffers at outer end of each fixed rake only. All have LTF bogies (same as Network Rail JNA wagons) and visually different to those on the JJAs, though same wheelbase. Large air tank fitted longitudinally beneath cowling. Also, the "inners" have distinctive fold-down plates on their discharge chutes, though the outer wagons have visually similar chutes to the JJAs. Also, there are minor differences in the shape of the handrails, overhead canopies, end platforms. *Quick plug* all these variants, along with the original Tiphook donor wagons, are available in NGS kits 35a, 35b, 35c and 35d!! HTH cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Srange I find that the outer is completed before the inner, and the innner shows at least a month away!? Surely they'd be released together (MBA/MOA springs to mind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Srange I find that the outer is completed before the inner, and the innner shows at least a month away!? Surely they'd be released together (MBA/MOA springs to mind) Just to reinforce the point - Bachmann's models are not "outers" and "inners" (I know that's what Bachmann call them, but it doesn't reflect the real wagons or how they are used) - as a couple of folk have said already all JJAs are buffer fitted at both ends and can be used in any configuration - but usually they are seen in sets of 5 with one generator and four non-generator wagons working as a "set". There are, as Ben has said, similar HQA wagons which are configured as "inners" and "outers" but they do not match the Bachmann model as supplied at the moment. Proto-photo's of the JJA batch: http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c1387225.html Carillion, GTRM and "patched" ex Railtrack as future liveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Am I correct in thinking that these wagons are the same as what Foster Yeoman were using for a while on certain stone trains,Sure that they were branded polybulk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 The JJA are converted from Tiphook bogie stone wagons - current tops code KPA KPA proto-photo's - http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c1790200.html Some of those were used on Mendip stone at one point (see the two UID white liveried ones) - the blue ones pictured are part of a small pool of surviving un-modified KPA which these days normally work on local aggregates traffic in the London area. Polybulks were quite different bogie covered hoppers for traffics such as china clay and grain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Just to reinforce the point - Bachmann's models are not "outers" and "inners" (I know that's what Bachmann call them, but it doesn't reflect the real wagons or how they are used) - as a couple of folk have said already all JJAs are buffer fitted at both ends and can be used in any configuration - but usually they are seen in sets of 5 with one generator and four non-generator wagons working as a "set". There are, as Ben has said, similar HQA wagons which are configured as "inners" and "outers" but they do not match the Bachmann model as supplied at the moment. Proto-photo's of the JJA batch: http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/c1387225.html Carillion, GTRM and "patched" ex Railtrack as future liveries? Many thanks Gents - you've clarified things very nicely and I now know how many of these I will get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Cheers Martyn. Thanks for the link Thats the ones. Yeah,Tiphooks thats them. Used to watch them rumble past behind class 59's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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