Porcy Mane Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 ...for once the troublesome truck is innocent...I reckon it was the old mine workings under the track... Nah. Nobody had told the CME about Dave Franks and his unfeasibly large range of LMS bufferstops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Looks like it ran through a set of catch points and they did their job... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2016 You can see it the driver's face, "I was hoping for my gold watch next week when I retire, fat chance now." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2016 You can see it the driver's face, "I was hoping for my gold watch next week when I retire, fat chance now." Nah - his report would read like this 'Sir, I regret to report that the wheels picked up due to a greasy rail and with the wagons pushing I was unable to stop my engine in time. Your obedient servant ... etc' And the number of times I have read that, or similar ... ... ... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2016 Simpler than that. Sir. I can't get on with this bl##dy P4 malarkey. Mike. Retiring to bunker awaiting incoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian H C Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Here's one of life's mysteries (to me anyway). When somebody did release the bottom doors to dump the load, how did they get them locked back in position? I'm assuming somebody crawled under the wagon (when it had been moved off the coal drop - naturally, but you never know, H&S being what it was in the first half of then 20th century) and heaved the door back into position, while his mate put the locking bar and lever back. Here's my prototype contribution. Seen at Cottesmore last summer (I know it's a tippler - no doors at all!).. ... and here's a 7mm MMP 1/108 starting to get rusty on the Making Stuff blog... Edited March 29, 2016 by Ian H C 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Here's one of life's mysteries (to me anyway). When somebody did release the bottom doors to dump the load, how did they get them locked back in position? I'm assuming somebody crawled under the wagon (when it had been moved off the coal drop - naturally, but you never know, H&S being what it was in the first half of then 20th century) and heaved the door back into position, while his mate put the locking bar and lever back. Here's my prototype contribution. Seen at Cottesmore last summer (I know it's a tippler - no doors at all!)..rusty tippler.jpg ... and here's a 7mm MMP 1/108 starting to get rusty on the Making Stuff blog... 1-108 blog rust base coat 4.jpg The same way as all hoppers and minerals with Monkey Tail bottom doors, use the hook on the end of a shunting pole and the pole/correct technique to lit them! crawling under would be a last resort! The NCB were still using this type of door on the wagons at Westoe in the 1990's! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted March 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2016 Crated loads. https://flic.kr/p/a2YhX4 I thought somebody would have commented on the loads, but they don't seem to have done, so here goes! The crated loads look to me like the crates of car parts that were loaded into mineral wagons in the up sidings at Oakleigh Park station on the late '50s - early '60s, for rail transport to London Docks for export. I thought I would be able to find 'chapter & verse' on this as the sidings at Oakleigh Park are visible in enough picture books about the ECML, but I can't. However I think I've read that they were components from Vauxhall at Luton, what I can't find out is why they didn't go by rail direct from Luton to the Docks, but there are several road cranes visible in the sidings at Oakleigh Park so it's pretty certain the wagons were loaded there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted March 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2016 31134 by Dave Jolly, on Flickr 24-8-82 25 317 passing Chesterfield by Barnsleyrailboy, on Flickr 1975/06.R5558. 27 212 at Crianlarich Upper. June,1975. by Ron Fisher, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethashenden Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Simpler than that. Sir. I can't get on with this bl##dy P4 malarkey. Mike. Retiring to bunker awaiting incoming. P12 malarkey surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Zero Gravitas Posted March 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2016 P12 malarkey surely? Technically P304.8 I think... Z.G. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2016 P12 malarkey surely? Technically P304.8 I think... Z.G. Pedants! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 What a fascinating thread! I am heartened by the fact there are a few photos of 16t wagons in the North East as I have a plan for a little micro layout for as a test project in a new scale and it disproves the theory that his was only 21t hopper country! I have been offered a couple of 16t minerals kits at a great price so the idea was for an industrial loco simply to shunt some of these around... I was thinking a small 'drift mine' as the basis, but looking at this thread I suppose I should think outside the box a little...... turnips anyone!?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 What a fascinating thread! I am heartened by the fact there are a few photos of 16t wagons in the North East as I have a plan for a little micro layout for as a test project in a new scale and it disproves the theory that his was only 21t hopper country! I have been offered a couple of 16t minerals kits at a great price so the idea was for an industrial loco simply to shunt some of these around... I was thinking a small 'drift mine' as the basis, but looking at this thread I suppose I should think outside the box a little...... turnips anyone!?! Sugar beet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Sugar beet? Well funny you should say that but I will hopefully, very shortly, be the proud owner of a Ixion Hudswell Clarke loco... the very prototype of 'Wissington' used at the British Sugar factory near Downham Market in Norfolk I am thinking some 16t minerals would go perfectly with her in a 1960s and early '70s setting! ☺ http://www.mandgn.co.uk/page.php?pid=37 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted April 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2016 Looking for something entirely different, I found this. Nice slope sided (French) wagon n the background http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=British%20Transport%20Commission&objid=1996-7038_BTF_273_3952 Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Looking for something entirely different, I found this. Nice slope sided (French) wagon n the background http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=British%20Transport%20Commission&objid=1996-7038_BTF_273_3952 Regards Ian Ian There is a possibility this is a "P" ex private owner rather than a MoT wagon returned from France! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted April 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2016 My 16T mineral recognition certificate is very out of date. You could well be right, but I tried, I tried! With regards to that comment, I was scanning through some photos from the Britain from Above website of the Paisley St James area which I am modelling. I am no wagon expert, but looking at this view: http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/saw017828 and from the opposite direction: http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/saw017833 there do seem to be quite a few steel bodied mineral wagons of the 16T type. I was surprised at this as the photo is dated 1948 Were there big 4 predecessors of the humble Dia 1/102 and its brothers? Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 My 16T mineral recognition certificate is very out of date. You could well be right, but I tried, I tried! With regards to that comment, I was scanning through some photos from the Britain from Above website of the Paisley St James area which I am modelling. I am no wagon expert, but looking at this view: http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/saw017828 and from the opposite direction: http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/saw017833 there do seem to be quite a few steel bodied mineral wagons of the 16T type. I was surprised at this as the photo is dated 1948 Were there big 4 predecessors of the humble Dia 1/102 and its brothers? Regards Ian The LMS built welded body ones, and the LNER rivetted. Both are available from Cambrian. Larkin suggested, in one of his mid-1970s volumes, that the LMS had at least 5000, and the LNER slightly fewer. To this should be added MoWT/MoS builds. and some private owners, which would have been pooled during the War. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Lucy by Bob Avery, on Flickr 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2016 When I went to the Llangollen's autumn gala last year, one of the guys said they'd tried to organise some brake van rides in order to do summat different but the insurers didn't want to know...... (The LR did do an engine + Inspection Saloon for 3 days) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 There is a good collection of 14 (later uprated to 16 ton) minerals in the HMRS photo collection especially officials of some of the prewar PO Chas Roberts slope sided type! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 When I went to the Llangollen's autumn gala last year, one of the guys said they'd tried to organise some brake van rides in order to do summat different but the insurers didn't want to know...... (The LR did do an engine + Inspection Saloon for 3 days) It's not an insurance issue, it's having the correct paperwork in the safety case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2016 It's not an insurance issue, it's having the correct paperwork in the safety case. Not exactly but is about having the correct paperwork - which is a risk assessment and method statement/written procedure for doing it (you don't need to do a safety case item under ROGS but you do have to do all the assessment etc and keep records of course). It might also be covered by the 'Competent Person requirement although that usually applies to design and planning of physical items such as infrastructure and signalling rather than to operational matters. As far as the insurers are concerned it is really about them being prepared to accept the paperwork - especially the method statement/operating procedure and set a price if they are prepared to accept it. if they don't think the paperwork is up to scratch in terms of setting out a safe method or they'r either aren't prepared to accept an unusual risk or simply don't want the business then they'll say no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Just to add to the post by The Stationmaster. Regarding risk assessments. If you are involved with an activity that requires one it has to be up to date. I have one in front of me as I write. It is for a cycling event on open roads, so the scenario is slightly different, but it has a general on-going part and then requires a check and update shortly before the event takes place. If you are involved in an event that requires an RA then it is essential to check and double check exactly what is required. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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