RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 Well, no need to reply 'til you're less busy, but out of curiosity, do you work in the IS field? This would be called "putting in changes on the fly", and is sometimes frowned on. . . I've done that on live hospital systems - it's often frowned upon by those who don't have a clue as to real risks I'm sure Andy mentioned about letting him get on with it rather than asking silly questions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 it's often not a good idea to implement software that hasn't had its own bugs shaken out. As well, for major changes, it's usual among IS workers to have a backout plan in place that will allow immediate reversion to the prior environment that is known to work. You don't have a lot of knowledge of IT do you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 With all the skin problems though, sounds like Dermatitis ! Apparently this is good for irritating arses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 You don't have a lot of knowledge of IT do you ? Probably works for Microsoft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm interested to see if the software upgrade has had any beneficial effects for the IE users who faced numerous issues with the Groups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 My 'Join Group' button says 'You cannot join this group' both in and out of compatibility mode in IE8 and on all of the groups I have looked at. I am still seeing this although I'm not sure if it's a problem at your end or mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium QWILPEN Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2011 OK, maybe for future reference, normally if you make a change to an environment where many users could be affected by a glitch, there's something called a "test environment" that you implement the change in first and test thoroughly before you put it into the "production environment". It does seem to me that you have numerous ads here, as well as hundreds of users on line at a time, and thus, even if it's an avocational activity, it's in your interest to plan these things out. The glitch itself wasn't your fault, though again, in an environment where many users will be affected, it's often not a good idea to implement software that hasn't had its own bugs shaken out. As well, for major changes, it's usual among IS workers to have a backout plan in place that will allow immediate reversion to the prior environment that is known to work. Even in a hobby situation, it isn't unreasonable to feel entitled to what amounts to simple courtesy, and for that I don't think I need to apologize. Don't know who this as#e is but who the hell does he think he is, unless he's contributing hundred of thousands of Dollars to support the site he should just but out. steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm interested to see if the software upgrade has had any beneficial effects for the IE users who faced numerous issues with the Groups? Does that mean that the upgrade is now, in theory, fully working? I've been keeping my head down not to interfere ... but that raises a serious and more general point - how do we know that an upgrade is in process and being tweeked so as not to just post problems in the middle of work been done. I appreciate that upgrades need implementing and in theory these can muckchange things up for a while - but when do we userstesters have free reigne to point out issues with the upgrade ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 OK, so I sigh, lean back, think it's a great day out, and wonder -- the unplanned outage for the groups function was something like 5 hours. Spending by your estimate an additional 12-14 hours would have avoided the unplanned 5 hour outage. Meanwhile somebody's posted something about heads seeing daylight, when all I suggested was that spending 12-14 hours to avoid a 5 hour outage might have been courtesy. I still don't see what's unreasonable there, or indeed, something to which people might not be entitled. 5 hours? Andy could just flick the big off switch and be done with it. But he doesn't because he knows there are a lot of people out there who really appreciate what he is doing. Apparently this is good for irritating arses. I'll pay postage... Keep up the good work Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 To start with, thank you Andy for your hard work in keeping this place running. There maybe one or two who don't appreciate it, but I and the overwhelming majority do. So once again many thanks. I'm interested to see if the software upgrade has had any beneficial effects for the IE users who faced numerous issues with the Groups? I've been able to get back onto the group page, if that is of any help! So something has worked at my end! Best wishes, Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I've tried to join a group using Firefox 4.0.1, IE 9 and Opera 11.11, but the button says "You cannot join this group" in all of them. Opsys is Windows 7, latest updates all installed. I can post into a group, but apparently not join a group. Please note that this is not a complaint, contentious postiing or a request for Anusol, merely reporting back to answer a question that Andy asked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 but when do we userstesters have free reigne to point out issues with the upgrade ? Any time; it is actually helpful to know what people are experiencing and it generally doesn't take long to establish the commonalities when people are doing so. Staring an argument in the middle of a fix isn't recommended though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dilbert Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Please note that this is not a complaint, contentious postiing or a request for Anusol, merely reporting back to answer a question that Andy asked Apparently Arsteroids is piles more painful than haemorrhoids... dilbert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 XP - chrome & IE8, cannot join any groups. everything else seems to be working. (even the cream) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Singpoint Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Can't join groups with Mac OS X and Safari 5.0.5 No need for the cream (curry night) F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerbread Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Firefox on XP - seeing "You cannot join this group" Underlying source code appears to be: "<ul class="topic_buttons"> <li class="disabled"><span>You cannot join this group</span></li> </ul>" Similar in Chrome and Opera, so it doesn't appear to be an IE problem. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 OK, so I sigh, lean back, think it's a great day out, and wonder -- the unplanned outage for the groups function was something like 5 hours. Spending by your estimate an additional 12-14 hours would have avoided the unplanned 5 hour outage. Meanwhile somebody's posted something about heads seeing daylight, when all I suggested was that spending 12-14 hours to avoid a 5 hour outage might have been courtesy. I still don't see what's unreasonable there, or indeed, something to which people might not be entitled. Seriously? Are you for real? Do you believe that there is an army of paid developers, testers and support technicians running this site? I work in IT (IS if you prefer) Not only do we have all of the above, but we also suffer much, MUCH bigger problems - and we have literally BILLIONS of pounds behind us. FYI I'm a software test manager, running the test lab for the UK shopfloor systems of the third largest retailer in the world. (Besides finding time to try and run a model shop) OK, maybe for future reference. Normally when an organisation makes a change to a system, they carry out what is called a "Cost Benefit Analysis" They also perform a "Risk Analysis" where the risks associated with the change are measured, and the acceptability of each risk is determined, with mitigating steps put in place. Perhaps 12-14 hours of Andy's time is worth much more than the inconvenience caused during the 5 hour downtime. Pehaps the risk associated with the downtime (Some users can't access an experimental area of the forum for a few hours) was deemed acceptable and preferable to the 12-14 hours of work option. One thing is for sure, your percieved entitlement holds no value whatsoever. So I sigh, lean back, see its dark and rainy outside and wonder - No-one should feel entitled to the use of this site. We should, all of us, be grateful for the incalculable hours that Andy has FREELY GIVEN to keep this site running over the years. Its very easy to be critical from the comfort of an armchair, - it is unnecessary, demoralising and unhelpful, I know, I've been on the recieving end as well at times. Now rather than being critical on the open forum, perhaps you could utilse your years of IS experience and provide useful assistance, maybe raising fault reports or helping to debug the system via the private channels. no? Don't have time? Once you've created a forum and website that is the leader in it's field, pretty much on your own and without the resources of a major corporation behind you, then perhaps you could feel justified in your criticisms. until then perhaps it would be wise to keep your head down and get back to your modelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 and calm... I'll holster my barbed tongue now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm sure Andy mentioned about letting him get on with it rather than asking silly questions I wonder if IP.Board has a misery module? Or a hellbanned option? This recent blog posting was food for thought, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-hellban.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2011 and calm... I'll holster my barbed tongue now. You should have said what you really meant... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 I wonder if IP.Board has a misery module? Or a hellbanned option? If I could, the Hellban would be the ideal but I've been so tempted to plug this one in - http://community.invisionpower.com/files/file/4142-miserable-users/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 You should have said what you really meant... But there are ladies present. I try not to swear in public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 If I could, the Hellban would be the ideal but I've been so tempted to plug this one in - http://community.invisionpower.com/files/file/4142-miserable-users/ *snigger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 If I could, the Hellban would be the ideal but I've been so tempted to plug this one in - http://community.inv...iserable-users/ Nice one - I'd be willing to sponsor it for the first year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 This recent blog posting was food for thought, http://www.codinghor...or-hellban.html Indeed, or more to the point the comments are. They're one of the most compelling things I've read for weeks, I'm halfway through them ATM. They're heavy going but they nicely balance out the article itself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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