C&WR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi Colin Why not? You must be lossing that fighting sprit as you get older. It is strange how many experts there are out there on all types of things there are. Many are very helpful but some?????? I was in John Dutfield's shop a few years ago and thumbing through one of the latest comics and chatting with the other layabouts customers someone made a comment about the downpipes on a model building. This geezer started, basically it was all wrong according to him and he went into reams of what was wrong. When he left the shop another customer said "he was talking Bow Locks, I have been a builder all my life and that model doesn't look wrong to me". My Father was a Railway Civil Engineer all his working life, and had as a boy spent nearly all his time outside School around the railway, including stuff which would not be allowed today like driving the locomotive on an auto train to school and at the age of six or seven being given a packet of sandwiches and being sent off to spend the day "helping" at shunting round the local yard. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of most of the GWR territory south of Birmingham. This happens when someone has travelled over nearly all of it and worked on a substantial portion too. I am very glad that Dad is essentially a placid and forgiving man. He showed the patience of a saint at a local beer festival when a couple of railway enthusiasts of our acquaintance not only started talking absolute bobbins about (a) an engineering matter and (b) the closure of a certain route but also then quite vociferously disagreed with him when he suggested the correct information because they were the experts on these matters at their MRC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2014 The death of expertise http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/ Andi 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friar Tuck Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Has anyone actually been lynched at a model railway show, or are we all worrying unnecessarily? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Now I'm worried that actually someone might decide to set up a demonstration table on it ... can you get a finescale rope or are they all coarse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 "Thank you for that information. I will remember it for future builds" or similar may be better than "**** off" Yes it may be the more polite reply but I know which is the more sincere! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Has anyone actually been lynched at a model railway show, or are we all worrying unnecessarily? Not yet, that I know of..... Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Has anyone actually been lynched at a model railway show, or are we all worrying unnecessarily? We used to have a very convenient balcony at one of our previous venues............................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 On the German Drehscheibe forum, there is a question being asked about the correct scale size of household coal. Just think of the fun that could bring! Mike One could march up to any finescale GWR layout, look at the models for a moment or two and then say - preferably in a loud, penetrating, nasal monotone - "typical, just typical. It's clear that they don't know the difference between finest Welsh anthracite and the cheap bituminous crap from the midlands. You certainly couldn't steam a [name a GWR loco] with that crap in the tender/bunker. Just cos they got the rail spacing correct, doesn't mean they're TRUE finescale modellers" iD 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 One for the organizers of an event: Call it a model train show, then charge 1 pound for every person who says its a railway show, not a train show. Double charge for any American who says it's a railroad! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 One could march up to any finescale GWR layout, look at the models for a moment or two and then say - preferably in a loud, penetrating, nasal monotone - "typical, just typical. It's clear that they don't know the difference between finest Welsh anthracite and the cheap bituminous crap from the midlands. You certainly couldn't steam a [name a GWR loco] with that crap in the tender/bunker. Just cos they got the rail spacing correct, doesn't mean they're TRUE finescale modellers" iD Not being a GWR afficionado, I had to check a couple of reference books before I got the subtlety of that. Now I can mutter with the rest: anthracite or steam coal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Has anyone actually been lynched at a model railway show, or are we all worrying unnecessarily? The Thread Title says "How to" get lynched..... I thought it was a guide.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2014 One could march up to any finescale GWR layout, look at the models for a moment or two and then say - preferably in a loud, penetrating, nasal monotone - "typical, just typical. It's clear that they don't know the difference between finest Welsh anthracite and the cheap bituminous crap from the midlands. You certainly couldn't steam a [name a GWR loco] with that crap in the tender/bunker. Just cos they got the rail spacing correct, doesn't mean they're TRUE finescale modellers" iD If its post nationalisation anything but Welsh steam coal would be correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&WR Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The death of expertise http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/ Andi Thanks for a fascinating link, Andi. This is going to be heavily reposted! I particularly liked this line in the conclusion: Remember: having a strong opinion about something isn’t the same as knowing something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for a fascinating link, Andi. This is going to be heavily reposted! I particularly liked this line in the conclusion: I've only read the first part but so far I agree with every word, thanks for sharing, Andi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I don't know if a similar story has been posted before for elsewhere but I remember hearing one person at one of the Tonbridge exhibitions ask a layout why they weren't running any Southern Railway locomotives when they were exhibiting in a Southern Railway town, put it this way, I recall it being possibly an LNER or LMS layout, definitely of Northern origin, can't remember exactly, nor can I recall the name. However in this case it was a scenario of "If looks could kill" I remember it specifically because of the question more than anything. I also got asked a similar sort of question with my layout Fiddlers End at the Tonbridge Exhibition in 2012, though it was to do with the fact I had been running GWR livery and Late Crest BR livery locomotives (I have at least two early crest locos as well), at the same time when that wouldn't have happened, to which I replied "If you read in the show guide, I think you will find it's a fictional preserved railway", to which the viewer shuffled off rather sheepishly (I of course said it in a most polite and diplomatic manner, It doesn't pay to be rude towards paying visitors, however much you feel like you want to chase after them with flaming torches and pitchforks for asking daft questions!). Edited January 22, 2014 by GWR-Fanatic 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2014 I don't know if a similar story has been posted before for elsewhere but I remember hearing one person at one of the Tonbridge exhibitions ask a layout why they weren't running any Southern Railway locomotives when they were exhibiting in a Southern Railway town, put it this way, I recall it being possibly an LNER or LMS layout, definitely of Northern origin, can't remember exactly, nor can I recall the name. However in this case it was a scenario of "If looks could kill" I remember it specifically because of the question more than anything. I also got asked a similar sort of question with my layout Fiddlers End at the Tonbridge Exhibition in 2012, though it was to do with the fact I had been running GWR livery and Late Crest BR livery locomotives (I have at least two early crest locos as well), at the same time when that wouldn't have happened, to which I replied "If you read in the show guide, I think you will find it's a fictional preserved railway", to which the viewer shuffled off rather sheepishly (I of course said it in a most polite and diplomatic manner, It doesn't pay to be rude towards paying visitors, however much you feel like you want to chase after them with flaming torches and pitchforks for asking daft questions!). Ahhh!!!! I like the idea of flaming torches and pitchforks as alternative or an addition to a simple lynching 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Ahhh!!!! I like the idea of flaming torches and pitchforks as alternative or an addition to a simple lynching Perhaps tarring and feathering or riding out of the hall on a rail for minor offences, or, for persistent offenders, a scold's bridle? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Perhaps tarring and feathering or riding out of the hall on a rail for minor offences, or, for persistent offenders, a scold's bridle? Personally I'm not sure I'm in favour of punishment for stupid questions at least not if I'm still to visit exhibitions.Several years ago I was admiring the most excellent layout Stainmore when into view came an exquisitely modelled J21.Immediately I fell in love with it, I needed to know if it was scratchbuilt or from a kit,if it was a kit I was going to get one. So applying my recently acquired extensive knowledge of all things North Eastern I said to the operator,"Excuse me but that J21 is lovely is it a kit and if so who makes it?" The operator replied,"It's not a J21 it's a J25,but it's from London Road Models" I winced a little at this reply but when your in a hole you stop digging.Not if you're me you don't.So I said," I must say your dry stone walling is the best I've ever seen what are the stones made from?" The operator replied "Stone". I then hurriedly retired to the toilets and had a little cry. PS.I'm currently building my J25 kit now and if you fancy another laugh at my expense there's some pictures of the build in my link below.Come to think of it my over thick homemade splasher tops make my J25 look more reminiscent of a J21. Edited January 23, 2014 by iainp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't know if a similar story has been posted before for elsewhere but I remember hearing one person at one of the Tonbridge exhibitions ask a layout why they weren't running any Southern Railway locomotives when they were exhibiting in a Southern Railway town, put it this way, I recall it being possibly an LNER or LMS layout, definitely of Northern origin, can't remember exactly, nor can I recall the name. However in this case it was a scenario of "If looks could kill" I remember it specifically because of the question more than anything. I also got asked a similar sort of question with my layout Fiddlers End at the Tonbridge Exhibition in 2012, though it was to do with the fact I had been running GWR livery and Late Crest BR livery locomotives (I have at least two early crest locos as well), at the same time when that wouldn't have happened, to which I replied "If you read in the show guide, I think you will find it's a fictional preserved railway", to which the viewer shuffled off rather sheepishly (I of course said it in a most polite and diplomatic manner, It doesn't pay to be rude towards paying visitors, however much you feel like you want to chase after them with flaming torches and pitchforks for asking daft questions!). Matt you make the mistake in thinking people read the show guides. The number of times I have had that we didn't realise there were other halls (or upstairs) when they walk round, despite numerous signs to indicate this, or stewards to ask. Colin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Perhaps tarring and feathering or riding out of the hall on a rail for minor offences, or, for persistent offenders, a scold's bridle? Personally I'm not sure I'm in favour of punishment for stupid questions at least not if I'm still to visit exhibitions.Several years ago I was admiring the most excellent layout Stainmore when into view came an exquisitely modelled J21.Immediately I fell in love with it, I needed to know if it was scratchbuilt or from a kit,if it was a kit I was going to get one. So applying my recently acquired extensive knowledge of all things North Eastern I said to the operator,"Excuse me but that J21 is lovely is it a kit and if so who makes it?" The operator replied,"It's not a J21 it's a J25,but it's from London Road Models" I winced a little at this reply but when your in a hole you stop digging.Not if your me you don't.So I said," I must say your dry stone walling is the best I've ever seen what are the stones made from?" The operator replied "Stone". I then hurriedly retired to the toilets and had a little cry. PS.I'm currently building my J25 kit now and if you fancy another laugh at my expense there's some pictures of the build in my link below.Come to think of it my over thick homemade splasher tops make my J25 look more reminiscent of a J21. And there's me thinking that all I was doing was suggesting a couple of merciful alternatives to capital punishment ... It looks like the other chap wasn't too hard on you, though. Iain. I think most of us have innocently asked questions which show up our ignorance, then smiled self-deprecatingly at our own faux-pas and passed it off with a small joke at our own expense and a dignified word of thanks for the enlightenment. Then it's on to the next layout to start all over again ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Remember, there's no such thing as stupid questions.......just stupid people When on crane duty at shows I sometimes get asked if I'm operating the crane or whether it's automatic, to me it seems a bit af a stupid question but then I think maybe it's just a sign that other's reliance/belief on technology is better than mine. Aka I'm a technophobe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2014 Personally I'm not sure I'm in favour of punishment for stupid questions at least not if I'm still to visit exhibitions.Several years ago I was admiring the most excellent layout Stainmore when into view came an exquisitely modelled J21.Immediately I fell in love with it, I needed to know if it was scratchbuilt or from a kit,if it was a kit I was going to get one. So applying my recently acquired extensive knowledge of all things North Eastern I said to the operator,"Excuse me but that J21 is lovely is it a kit and if so who makes it?" The operator replied,"It's not a J21 it's a J25,but it's from London Road Models" I winced a little at this reply but when your in a hole you stop digging.Not if you're me you don't.So I said," I must say your dry stone walling is the best I've ever seen what are the stones made from?" The operator replied "Stone". I then hurriedly retired to the toilets and had a little cry. PS.I'm currently building my J25 kit now and if you fancy another laugh at my expense there's some pictures of the build in my link below.Come to think of it my over thick homemade splasher tops make my J25 look more reminiscent of a J21. Is that known as a "self-lynching"? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Is that known as a "self-lynching"? Cheers, Mick I don't know Mick, but it's a true story and it amused me at the time and I thought it might amuse other people now.The only part that isn't true is crying in the toilets I made that up for effect,(although I admit I did feel like doing so), I'm made of sterner stuff than that.Mind you when you make a fool of your self as often as I do you need to be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Popplewell Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Remember, there's no such thing as stupid questions.......just stupid people Cheers Satanic Goldfish.You've made me feel a lot better about myself now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Cheers Satanic Goldfish.You've made me feel a lot better about myself now. The support group is on wednesdays in the church hall, you're welcome to join us. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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