RMweb Premium Crepello Posted October 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2015 Aren't the 22 and 52 Dapol models which were very well-received? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Aren't the 22 and 52 Dapol models which were very well-received? Diesel hydraulics are not "real" diesels! Now a 59 on the other hand... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I hope Dapol make a good job of this - they don't really have any pedigree in OO diesels I don't think and have now been entrusted with several important prototypes 2013 - Class 52 Western OO Gauge D&E Model of the Year 2011 - LMS 10000 OO Gauge D&E Model of the Year 2011 - Class 22 - 2nd Place OO Gauge D&E Model Think they can be trusted tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty.J Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I hope Dapol make a good job of this - they don't really have any pedigree in OO diesels I don't think and have now been entrusted with several important prototypes Have you not seen the EP samples? They speak for themselves...Such beauties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Have you not seen the EP samples? They speak for themselves...Such beauties. I'm just waiting for a photo confirming that the BR Blue ones won't have the headlight moulding. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty.J Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'm just waiting for a photo confirming that the BR Blue ones won't have the headlight moulding. Luke When Dapol have already confirmed that the BR Blue version will not have one, I doubt you'll have to wait. The said that the wrong body was used for the BR Blue version's painted sample and that it won't be done on the production run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2015 Diesel hydraulics are not "real" diesels! Now a 59 on the other hand... At least the hydraulics are not afraid of running through water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2015 Those diesels that Dapol have made in OO have been very well done. The Western in particular was beautifully done and one of the best diesel models ever produced in OO. For all that the Western is superb I actually prefer the NBL Type 2 simply because I prefer the real item. The headcodes on that model were a disappointment but the shape and body moulding are superbly done and the removable valances was a clever and innovative feature. The fly in the ointment of this argument was that those two models were produced under the stewardship of Dave Jones who has since left Dapol however I do have confidence that Dapol will make a good job of the 73, the pictures released to date look very promising indeed to me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Ah, ok, forgot about the western.....carry on Dapol..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) The fly in the ointment of this argument was that those two models were produced under the stewardship of Dave Jones who has since left Dapol however I do have confidence that Dapol will make a good job of the 73, the pictures released to date look very promising indeed to me. Indeed, and the 73 does look incredibly nice detail-wise - although I am still a little unsure of the cab roof 'dimples'. Another concern was the alarming number of livery errors that appeared on the various pre-production models. Okay, so they are going to correct them - assuming they get the "corrections" right of course - but even so, it surely highlights that someone somewhere isn't paying attention for quite so many glaring errors to appear in the first place? Let's hope that they get everything right on the final run. Edited November 10, 2015 by darkjunglemung Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ah, ok, forgot about the western.....carry on Dapol..... I thought this thread being discussed again, first since late October would of been to say Dapol have said on social media that the first batch of 73s are on the high seas and due in shops in around two weeks time Indeed, and the 73 does look incredibly nice detail-wise - although I am still a little unsure of the cab roof 'dimples'. Another concern was the alarming number of livery errors that appeared on the various pre-production models. Okay, so they are going to correct them - assuming they get the "corrections" right of course - but even so, it surely highlights that someone somewhere isn't paying attention for quite so many glaring errors to appear in the first place? Let's hope that they get everything right on the final run. And we see all the pre-production, first shots, 1st EP, 2nd EP, livery samples etc from say Bachmann? I think Bachmann and others (Hornby) do not release their pre-production in such good faith (we understand they are pre-production) as I am sure there would be the same comments. Hats off to Dapol for consistently releasing images, engaging with their customers and welcoming positive constructive comments directly to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Maybe, just maybe, we may get to see some samples, On the Dapol stand at Warley, for those, who may, attend on the 28/29. November. You never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark walker Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I thought this thread being discussed again, first since late October would of been to say Dapol have said on social media that the first batch of 73s are on the high seas and due in shops in around two weeks time I spoke to Dapol the other day and the first batch of class 73 will be out at end of november and the other batch will be out by the middle of december. And we see all the pre-production, first shots, 1st EP, 2nd EP, livery samples etc from say Bachmann? I think Bachmann and others (Hornby) do not release their pre-production in such good faith (we understand they are pre-production) as I am sure there would be the same comments. Hats off to Dapol for consistently releasing images, engaging with their customers and welcoming positive constructive comments directly to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mevaman Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I thought this thread being discussed again, first since late October would of been to say Dapol have said on social media that the first batch of 73s are on the high seas and due in shops in around two weeks time I spoke to Dapol the other day and the first batch of class 73 will be out at end of november and the other batch will be out by the middle of december. And we see all the pre-production, first shots, 1st EP, 2nd EP, livery samples etc from say Bachmann? I think Bachmann and others (Hornby) do not release their pre-production in such good faith (we understand they are pre-production) as I am sure there would be the same comments. Hats off to Dapol for consistently releasing images, engaging with their customers and welcoming positive constructive comments directly to them. From my experience Bachmann sort out liveries at an early stage producing full colour drawings with Pantones etc. This means that first production models generally do not have livery issues. Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hello all, I think we often overlook the practicalities of manufacturing model trains on the other side of the world. I have been shown painted samples at Chirk and Barwell that bear little resemblance to what was ordered - wrong fonts, colours etc. Those in the actual factory not only have little idea of what real British trains look like, they often have no idea what the funny squiggles on the sides even mean. The process can be managed, but that adds to the delay, and everyone is under time pressure. If a livery sample is wrong then you need another to approve; and I know from experience that the factories often aren't keen on producing individual livery samples when their paintshops would rather be painting 10,000 US switchers or something. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) The process can be managed, but that adds to the delay, and everyone is under time pressure. If a livery sample is wrong then you need another to approve; and I know from experience that the factories often aren't keen on producing individual livery samples when their paintshops would rather be painting 10,000 US switchers or something. This kind of mentality exists in virtually all manufacturing industries, so it's all very well justifying what might be considered as glaring livery errors, but just assuming for one moment those errors were to carry through to the final production and any manufacturer could easily end up with a very large white elephant sitting on their shelves that no one will buy. All industries are naturally geared to what makes the most profit in the least time, but at some point, whoever is in charge of the purse strings needs to have their eye firmly on-the-ball. Careless errors that slip through unchecked cost dearly, and it's a bit late to pick-up on them once the final product hits the shelves. Edited November 11, 2015 by darkjunglemung Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted November 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2015 All industries are naturally geared to what makes the most profit in the least time, but at some point, whoever is in charge of the purse strings needs to have their eye firmly on-the-ball. Careless errors that slip through unchecked cost dearly, and it's a bit late to pick-up on them once the final product hits the shelves. Indeed. I am immediately reminded of the first batch of Bachmann 2EPB units which had the carriage numbers transposed. While I'm sure most were eventually sold that might have cost them dear in discounted prices throughout the supply chain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2015 Indeed. I am immediately reminded of the first batch of Bachmann 2EPB units which had the carriage numbers transposed. While I'm sure most were eventually sold that might have cost them dear in discounted prices throughout the supply chain. ... and cost them even more thanks to them having to manufacture replacement bodies for those who wanted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hello all, I think we often overlook the practicalities of manufacturing model trains on the other side of the world. I have been shown painted samples at Chirk and Barwell that bear little resemblance to what was ordered - wrong fonts, colours etc. Those in the actual factory not only have little idea of what real British trains look like, they often have no idea what the funny squiggles on the sides even mean. The process can be managed, but that adds to the delay, and everyone is under time pressure. If a livery sample is wrong then you need another to approve; and I know from experience that the factories often aren't keen on producing individual livery samples when their paintshops would rather be painting 10,000 US switchers or something. cheers Ben A. As a general rule, once you correct or alter a livery sample, you're in the lap of the Gods. I think there have always been livery corrections on limited editions - usually Barwell instigated (there were dozens of tiny tweaks requested by Barwell on the Grainflow 37 before we saw it) - but second livery samples are not usually supplied. The only time we've seen more than one livery sample, I think, was the Heljan 128. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 So - will be have boxed ones at Warley or just final pre-production samples? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark walker Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 So - will be have boxed ones at Warley or just final pre-production samples? hi the class 73 are out to buy in next two weeks . Then could be out to buy at warley thats what i have been told.I hope that answer your question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2015 Here's hoping that they're out for Christmas, be a nice festive present if Dapol get them into the shops. Despite the delays, judging from the photographs floating around the wait will be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted November 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) I rang Dapol today and we're told the 73's are moving slowly through customs - hopefully to be released and sent out next week. Edited November 23, 2015 by Derails Models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 So this image is the header for their announcement that they're attending Warley. The experts from the BR Blue era and Class 73's can check it out. http://Dapol.co.uk/image/data/HK-4D-006-002-02.jpg 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The blue's too blue. The yellow's not yellow enough. The horns are wrong. The windows aren't triangular... Sorry... just had a quick psychic glimpse into the immediate future of this thread.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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