RMweb Premium Dominion Posted December 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 26, 2015 Why would you sit on the layout to do your work ? I mean I know the boards are strong, but I doubt that is very comfortable. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Top modelling from the scenery to the track..... post-18225-0-21258700-1450960787_thumb.jpg Seasons Greetings Mr.Grantham.... Well that's very kind of you, Larry - thank you Like many on here, I find the festive season a productive time for modelling so, in between the mince pies and figgy puddin' I've been plodding on with some loco projects. Work has progressed with the D4 to D3 conversion. Here, the most obvious visual difference is being tackled, being the extended smokebox. Rummaging around in the scrap box yielded a suitable whitemetal extension piece (goodness only knows where it originally came from!) It was of slightly too large diameter, so just needed a small piece cut out and the remainder squeezing into a slightly smaller shape. That done, it was attached such that the joint was bottom dead centre (and hence effectively out of sight. A rummage round in the chimneys and domes box was less successful in finding direct replacement parts so I set about modifying larger whitemetal items. As I don't possess a lathe, I set up this makeshift arrangement using my hand-drill mounted in a vice. The results of those efforts, shown temporarily propped on top of the boiler / smokebox. Beginning to look the part now. The 'smokebox doors' box contained a suitable looking item, from which I just had to cut off its bottom flange (must've been intended for a loco without a smokebox extension). With chimney and dome now permanent attached, fixing the smokebox door seals it all in place. Some further detail and she's ready for the paintshop. Details consist of guard irons, smokebox door handles, handrail and top lamp bracket. Even though I never saw one of these things (I can't imagine many of today's RMWebbers would have, come to that!), it seems to look 'right' comparing with the pictures I have to hand. Meanwhile, some of the big stuff has also received some attention Existing members of the Grantham stud 4479 and 2558 are joined by a newcomer... Work has involved fitting guard irons to two of them (4479 had them already) and all had have useable lamp irons fitted. The A4 has now had full-length drain pipes fitted, which are attached to the guard irons. For me, this is quite an important part of the pre-war front end look (the full guard irons were removed and the drain pipes cut back in BR days). With that, I can reveal the identity of the new member of the fleet... Ladies & Gentlemen - I give you long term* King's Cross resident 4467 'Wild Swan' (*allocated there from new till 5/39 then back in 1941, 1944 and 1950-1963) Edited December 28, 2015 by LNER4479 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Are the drain cocks scratch or bought ready made ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Are the drain cocks scratch or bought ready made ? They're scratchbuilt, Mick. Brass wire bent to shape then I've used some handrail knobs to represent the cocks themselves from where the pipes emerge. I also used some thin fuse wire to represent the clamp that holds them together. The pipes are set slightly wider than they should be to allow the bogie to swing from side to side Bit fiddly but worth the effort (IMHO) Edited December 28, 2015 by LNER4479 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Nice work !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted December 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2015 That A4 looks really good - I like the drain pipes and cocks. With regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I do love those draincocks, is there any chance of a picture from underneath? Edit: Also where are the guard irons from? Edited December 29, 2015 by Ade the Pianist 4468 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 IMG_5739.JPG A rummage round in the chimneys and domes box was less successful in finding direct replacement parts so I set about modifying larger whitemetal items. As I don't possess a lathe, I set up this makeshift arrangement using my hand-drill mounted in a vice. IMG_5744.JPG The results of those efforts, shown temporarily propped on top of the boiler / smokebox. Beginning to look the part now. There's something you've not quite told us about what happened between these two steps. That chimney with apparently brass middle and upper parts surely isn't the original w/m one tweaked up with files? What prompted abandonment of the original cap which looks fairly GN shaped to me? Not tall enough? Or did it meet with a nasty accident on the "lathe"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 I do love those draincocks, is there any chance of a picture from underneath? Edit: Also where are the guard irons from? Sure thing - but give us a day or two as I'm not in a position to take a picture just at the moment... There's something you've not quite told us about what happened between these two steps. That chimney with apparently brass middle and upper parts surely isn't the original w/m one tweaked up with files? What prompted abandonment of the original cap which looks fairly GN shaped to me? Not tall enough? Or did it meet with a nasty accident on the "lathe"? Well spotted! I never intended to use the whitemetal one in its entirety as I felt that the very top of it didn't look right. Some of the GN 4-4-0's had the top of the chimney turned down to enable operation outside ex-GN areas; the donor chimney looked more like that, but I didn't like that look. Meanwhile, the brass one had the right looking top to it but was too tall, so it was a case of combining the two. I actually turned a spigot on the top of the whitemetal part which the bottom of the brass part (being hollow) fitted over. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) I do love those draincocks, is there any chance of a picture from underneath? Edit: Also where are the guard irons from? OK, here we go... Despite several efforts, it's not perhaps 100% clear, so I'll attempt an explanation: Each 'cock' is made up from two handrail knobs, one at 90o to the other. The draincock pipe (0.45 brass) goes through the eye of a small handrail knob, the shank of which is then located in the eye of the second (older, bigger style, which I fortunately have plenty in stock). The eye of the second knob has to be drilled out to 0.8mm to take the shank of the first knob. The shank of the second knob then locates in the hole at the bottom of the cylinder, intended for the moulded draincocks supplied with the model. The only other additional part is an appropriate length of brass strip to assist with mounting and locating the cocks - it bears a passable resemblance to the draincocks operating rod. By mounting them like this, they are rather handily offset outwards from the centre line of the cylinder (not too apparent from normal viewing) which all helps with bogie clearances. The guard irons? They're cut from 15 thou nickel silver. I made a thin card template first then used this to cut the metal ones to shape. As might be apparent, they put up a bit of a fight as the front screws holding the chassis in place were somewhat in the way! PS - slightly belated Happy New Year! (Been away for a few days) Edited January 3, 2016 by LNER4479 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2016 OK, here we go... IMG_5842.JPG IMG_5844.JPG Despite several efforts, it's not perhaps 100% clear, so I'll attempt an explanation: Each 'cock' is made up from two handrail knobs, one at 90o to the other. The draincock pipe (0.45 brass) goes through the eye of a small handrail knob, the shank of which is then located in the eye of the second (older, bigger style, which I fortunately have plenty in stock). The eye of the second knob has to be drilled out to 0.8mm to take the shank of the first knob. The shank of the second knob then locates in the hole at the bottom of the cylinder, intended for the moulded draincocks supplied with the model. The only other additional part is an appropriate length of brass strip to assist with mounting and locating the cocks - it bears a passable resemblance to the draincocks operating rod. By mounting them like this, they are rather handily offset outwards from the centre line of the cylinder (not too apparent from normal viewing) which all helps with bogie clearances. The guard irons? They're cut from 15 thou nickel silver. I made a thin card template first then used this to cut the metal ones to shape. As might be apparent, they put up a bit of a fight as the front screws holding the chassis in place were somewhat in the way! PS - slightly belated Happy New Year! (Been away for a few days) That's very tidy. If it is of any use one can get 2mm handrail knobs (I will be using these on coach roof piping as 4mm ones look far too big IMO) and on some loco's those might look 'right' as the valves are not so chunky. Fattest valves I've seen are on Crabs IIRC. Sorry to drop off topic for a mo. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted January 5, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2016 Whilst I didn't set myself a Xmas challenge this year per se over the festive season just gone, I ended up continuing the work on the station approach work and pleased to say managed to get it to some sort of conclusion. Work on the station approach retaining wall saw it meeting up with the back of platform 1 at which point several interesting things happen. This includes the entrance to the footpath tunnel under the station and also that the wall becomes the back of the horse landing loading dock area. Here is the maximum extent of the wall with the loading platform now constructed. Got a bit tricky with levels here so, in the linking piece of platform, I have suggested a fall from the platform towards to the roadway at the back of the station. Finished! (well, for now at least). I've put the canopy back in place to show how all this fits in. Sort of looks 'interesting' from this angle, a quiet little corner that rarely appears in photos of the real thing. By cheating (removing the station buildings at the north end of platform 2) we get the view looking the other way. This shows quite well how the retaining wall (right hand side) forms the back of the horse landing. Meanwhile down on the roadway, the delivery drays go about their business. This is the reality however - at exhibitions most of this won't be seen as it's largely hidden from view by the canopy!! This viewpoint will be available however, if you're standing round the corner towards the north end. Just need to apply some treatment to that bare area of wood at the top of the retaining wall. And the scene will be greatly enhanced when the lift out board returns from its winter detailing work (bottom left). 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted January 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2016 Whilst I didn't set myself a Xmas challenge this year per se over the festive season just gone, I ended up continuing the work on the station approach work and pleased to say managed to get it to some sort of conclusion. IMG_5773.JPG Work on the station approach retaining wall saw it meeting up with the back of platform 1 at which point several interesting things happen. This includes the entrance to the footpath tunnel under the station and also that the wall becomes the back of the horse landing loading dock area. IMG_5800.JPG Here is the maximum extent of the wall with the loading platform now constructed. IMG_5801.JPG Got a bit tricky with levels here so, in the linking piece of platform, I have suggested a fall from the platform towards to the roadway at the back of the station. IMG_5831.JPG Finished! (well, for now at least). I've put the canopy back in place to show how all this fits in. Sort of looks 'interesting' from this angle, a quiet little corner that rarely appears in photos of the real thing. IMG_5833.JPG By cheating (removing the station buildings at the north end of platform 2) we get the view looking the other way. This shows quite well how the retaining wall (right hand side) forms the back of the horse landing. IMG_5834.JPG Meanwhile down on the roadway, the delivery drays go about their business. IMG_5838.JPG This is the reality however - at exhibitions most of this won't be seen as it's largely hidden from view by the canopy!! IMG_5839.JPG This viewpoint will be available however, if you're standing round the corner towards the north end. Just need to apply some treatment to that bare area of wood at the top of the retaining wall. And the scene will be greatly enhanced when the lift out board returns from its winter detailing work (bottom left). Whilst I didn't set myself a Xmas challenge this year per se over the festive season just gone, I ended up continuing the work on the station approach work and pleased to say managed to get it to some sort of conclusion. IMG_5773.JPG Work on the station approach retaining wall saw it meeting up with the back of platform 1 at which point several interesting things happen. This includes the entrance to the footpath tunnel under the station and also that the wall becomes the back of the horse landing loading dock area. IMG_5800.JPG Here is the maximum extent of the wall with the loading platform now constructed. IMG_5801.JPG Got a bit tricky with levels here so, in the linking piece of platform, I have suggested a fall from the platform towards to the roadway at the back of the station. IMG_5831.JPG Finished! (well, for now at least). I've put the canopy back in place to show how all this fits in. Sort of looks 'interesting' from this angle, a quiet little corner that rarely appears in photos of the real thing. IMG_5833.JPG By cheating (removing the station buildings at the north end of platform 2) we get the view looking the other way. This shows quite well how the retaining wall (right hand side) forms the back of the horse landing. IMG_5834.JPG Meanwhile down on the roadway, the delivery drays go about their business. IMG_5838.JPG This is the reality however - at exhibitions most of this won't be seen as it's largely hidden from view by the canopy!! IMG_5839.JPG This viewpoint will be available however, if you're standing round the corner towards the north end. Just need to apply some treatment to that bare area of wood at the top of the retaining wall. And the scene will be greatly enhanced when the lift out board returns from its winter detailing work (bottom left). I have walked (!) through the footpath tunnel a few times in recent years. It was relined by BR many years ago and is definitely tight to gauge for someone of my size now. My father, who worked in the York bridge office, told me that when the work was done, hundreds of gallons of waste diesel had to be pumped out of the ground. The culprits were though to be Class 40s, which had leaked fuel from their tanks over many years when standing on the curve . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JCL Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hi Graham Your valance is in my valise. 'Nuff said. Cheers Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2016 That has really helped to further improve the layout at the north end. Some really impressive work there, and I look forward to further developments. With best regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hi Graham Your valance is in my valise. 'Nuff said. Cheers Jason Yes - I'd noticed you've crossed the pond. Last seen at Sandy... Right on cue, the can-of-peas concerned is currently under construction! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2016 Progress has been delayed by the ballasting butter giving LNER4479 other problems to solve. Now all sorted so more ballasting to be done before Stafford. And maybe a loco to be genteely weathered? Baz Ballasting nutter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Ballasting butter? Bit crunchy for me, I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2016 Ballasting butter? Bit crunchy for me, I suspect. But does it work any better than Copydex or pva? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 And maybe a loco to be genteely weathered? Baz Genteely weathered? Will it have to wear a cravat? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2016 see I have given the secret ingredient in my ballasting away! Genteely weathered? Will it have to wear a cravat? I always wear a cravat when weathering! How did you guess? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2016 see I have given the secret ingredient in my ballasting away! I always wear a cravat when weathering! How did you guess? Over your nose and mouth like the Lone Ranger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brighton_JunctionLNER Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 EXCELLENT work on that station aproach, such shame i was not able to see the layout when i was over in november but it was lovely to meet you both at warley, i will just have to see it when i am over this year if i get the chance my layout is ahhhhhh "up creek" as us aussies would say hahaha. its going through a re design after talking with Mr Wright and seeing his presentation.....so i have come to the decision with my limited space that less is more i will post some photos in the coming months hope you all had a merry christmas, and all the best for the new year 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Yo Jesse! "up ###### creek" is a perfectly acceptable British expression as well... Look forward to seeing your revamped layout in due course. Hope you don't change it all again when you finally get to see Grantham in the flesh Glad you enjoyed you trip over here - hope Donna did as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2016 Over your nose and mouth like the Lone Ranger? No, definitely not - he keeps it well hidden. But he still hasn't given me one of those nice little enamel badges which i think he ought to dispense 'I have watched Baz weathering' or even 'Baz let me weather' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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