two tone green Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Well I am all tanked up now. Just collect two of Steve Fay and very happy. Thanks Steve, much appreciated. Here a couple of snaps taken of them on Steve layout, 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Looks nice Steve, I wonder how they will compare to the Lionheart ones? ATVB CME The Lionheart ones are going to be different type of tank wagon to these. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Lionheart ones are going to be different type of tank wagon to these. Ian Thanks Ian, I thought that Lionheart were doing A & B Tanks? I am confused.com now - mind you that's not hard these days! Thanks everyone for the extra info. My next question is what type of Tanks (late 1960's and early 1970s) would deliver aviation fuel to RAF bases and indeed general purpose (road vehicles) fuel and oil too - my knowledge in this area is pretty weak and I have yet to delve into such? Kindest, CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Lionheart are indeed doing A & B tanks but to the much earlier Air Ministry design (built as class A during WW2, some later converted to class B.). I think the Heljan ones are ealy- mid 60's build and replaced the Air Ministry type (amongst others), but don't quote me on that. Edited February 18, 2015 by brianthesnail96 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) The B4 tanks from Heljan were introduced in 1959 I'm pretty certain A tanks carry lighter oils where as B carry heavy oils. Both carried in the same design of tank Edited February 18, 2015 by steve fay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Thanks fellas, So I could have - with eg ESSO branding - some of the newer type and the older types 'visiting' RAF Down Ampney then? ATVB CME Edited February 18, 2015 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I was close! They are slightly earlier than I thought Steve- I'll have to see if I can borrow one at some point to check clearances as they are just about OK for BT&S age- wise, and would make a nice contrast with something like the Ixion MW. Saving for the Lionheart ones for now as they are more suitable (and smaller!). I think there may be differences in the discharging apparatus between class A & class B tanks (differing viscosities), but otherwise they are more or less the same design as Steve said- again, note the use of the word "think" here, I'm going from memory or when I looked into it some time ago. Not sure when the Air Ministry types disappeared but I suspect they may have been fairly uncommon by the early 70's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Hi Brian, Thanks again. I know what I know - if you see what I mean, but fuel/oil Tanks are an unknown for me. Quite nearby are the remnants of a old rail served fuel/oil dump so I might be able to use that as a point of reference(?) I am speaking of the one near to Swindon (Purton?) which would have been rail served, but ever since I can remember - when I was first made aware of it - it was served by road. I think it may have been linked to RAF Lyneham, which, technically speaking, is no more. Thanks. CME Edited February 18, 2015 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 class B tanks carried fuel oil and diesel and even pitch. the important point is the flash point of the liquid there were different regulations for the handling and loading. For a long time class A were not allowed bottom discharge due the the danger of leakage, More modern valves have now obviated this. Class A were (after a very early free for all) required to be silver grey or stone colour to reduce evaporation and aid identification likewise the red stripe (but this was dispensed with in wartime) Class B liquids are more dense, so usually the tanks are slightly smaller (part filled tanks are bad news) however since the thicker liquids (fuel oil, pitch) often required to be warm to achieve reasonable loading/unloading times the tanks were often insulated so looked the same size. the really thick tar & pitch had to have stem heating coils fitted as well. The converted air ministry tanks (Lionheart) may have just have had the max load upgraded. The air ministry tanks did not have vac brakes and there were rules about how the trains could be formed , usually one or more vans next to loco. The later tank as modelled by Heljan were higher capacity 20-22 tonnes and vac braked, These were themselves made obsolescent by later 35 40 45 ton air braked stock. Thus three distinct generations un braked, vac braked and air braked, that would not be mixed (in service). They also needed to match the loading unloading facilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Thanks Ian, I thought that Lionheart were doing A & B Tanks? I am confused.com now - mind you that's not hard these days! Thanks everyone for the extra info. My next question is what type of Tanks (late 1960's and early 1970s) would deliver aviation fuel to RAF bases and indeed general purpose (road vehicles) fuel and oil too - my knowledge in this area is pretty weak and I have yet to delve into such? Kindest, CME I suppose the B4's could be delivering aviation fuel and the Lionheart ministry tanks could be delivery lubricating oil of some description. Chance to have a few of each then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 They're also doing a Molasses version which would make an interesting train 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted February 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2015 What transfers are people using to add Helljan Esso Tank numbers? I don't want to splash out on anything costly just for one wagon! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90164 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I've used the numbers from the Cambridge Custom Transfers sheet, but I believe Fox do a sheet of number transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hi When I was a signalman at Llandarcy we used to send aviation fuel to Colnbrook for Heathrow, they were in grey BP tanks, we used to send tanks to Swindon as well,but, wether it included aviation fuel fore Lyneham I have no idea. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Here's the regent example just arrived, 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Hi When I was a signalman at Llandarcy we used to send aviation fuel to Colnbrook for Heathrow, they were in grey BP tanks, we used to send tanks to Swindon as well,but, wether it included aviation fuel fore Lyneham I have no idea. Ian Hi Ian, Thanks - that's really useful. What era are we speaking about in terms of your career at Llandarcy? Any idea what type the tanks were? Kindest, CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Re the latest VAA in Railfreight Red/Grey which I received one today - I see there is a black box on in the middle of the bodyside on one side only? It is not shown on Tower's photo but is on the Heljan.dk mock up photo. I presume it is supposed to represent the standard overhaul/inspection data(a poor representation). I have looked at loads of photos on Paul Bartlett's site and very few have this black box and certainly not where it has been added (on the odd few that have it - it is much lower). It is a shame this has been added - time to get the cotton bud/meths out to remove it from mine I think. I also think they should have really not added the data panels/numbers (like their locos) as I now have to remove them all from my rake too as they obviously can't all have the same number! Edited February 23, 2015 by deltic17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I also think they should have really not added the data panels/numbers (like their locos) as I now have to remove them all from my rake too as they obviously can't all have the same number!That's the one thing I can't quite figure out about these wagons - they supply the locomotives with no numbers, but the wagons, which you're far more likely to buy in multiple, come with numbers applied! Perhaps Heljan is a Danish company with an Irish background Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ressaldar Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Hi Pugsley, the Class B tank wagons - (Esso & Regent anyway) are not numbered but the Departmental one - Waste Oil is numbered - ADB999074. My question is - what about the little valve that is fitted at one end of the tanks - why have they not modelled that? and has anybody any thoughts as to a source for them? Nice models though. cheers Mike Edited February 23, 2015 by Ressaldar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I ended up going buying 3 whilst only going to buy flux. Bauxite OAA, civil link Dutch and the waste oil tank. With the waste oil tank what years did they stop being used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I ended up going buying 3 whilst only going to buy flux. Bauxite OAA, civil link Dutch and the waste oil tank. With the waste oil tank what years did they stop being used? On Paul Bartlett's site I found a shot of one at Gateshead in 1991 - there might be some later than this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Cheers! That's good news to me. I thought originally they were to be suplied with half numbered with transfers included to add the individual wagon numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hi Ian, Thanks - that's really useful. What era are we speaking about in terms of your career at Llandarcy? Any idea what type the tanks were? Kindest, CME Hi CME I joined the railway as a signalman and my first box was Llandarcy in 1979, I was only there about 12 months before moving on to be relief signalman on the Central Wales line, the only ones I can remember with any certainty were the Colnbrook which were grey 100t's and the Aberthaw which were black lagged 100T's, most of the other trains we sent were usually composed of either 100T or 45T tanks, it was rare to send out trains of mixed tanks othere than the trip working with tanks for the shops. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hi Pugsley, the Class B tank wagons - (Esso & Regent anyway) are not numbered but the Departmental one - Waste Oil is numbered - ADB999074. My question is - what about the little valve that is fitted at one end of the tanks - why have they not modelled that? and has anybody any thoughts as to a source for them? Nice models though. cheers Mike I think, Mike, that some parts maybe done by PHD? Hi CME I joined the railway as a signalman and my first box was Llandarcy in 1979, I was only there about 12 months before moving on to be relief signalman on the Central Wales line, the only ones I can remember with any certainty were the Colnbrook which were grey 100t's and the Aberthaw which were black lagged 100T's, most of the other trains we sent were usually composed of either 100T or 45T tanks, it was rare to send out trains of mixed tanks othere than the trip working with tanks for the shops. Ian Thanks Ian, that's very useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Hi Pugsley, the Class B tank wagons - (Esso & Regent anyway) are not numbered but the Departmental one - Waste Oil is numbered - ADB999074. My question is - what about the little valve that is fitted at one end of the tanks - why have they not modelled that? and has anybody any thoughts as to a source for them? Nice models though. cheers Mike I didn't realise that - I was basing my observations on the vans and the opens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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