tender Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Its not to do with keeping the planks together that is done by the frame. The braces are to stop it sagging, the way you have them the non hinge side there is nothing for them to push against and the door would drag on the floor very quickly. This does not detract from it being a nice model. But we are modelling real things and should get it right to the best of our abilities. I thought the doors were made from a single sheet of corrugated iron, in which case the the door would be supporting the bracing so it does it really matter which way the bracing goes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I thought the doors were made from a single sheet of corrugated iron, in which case the the door would be supporting the bracing so it does it really matter which way the bracing goes? Dead right the crrugated sheet will act as the triangulation, not very well though as you nail through the ridges so never can get it very tight. Also a carpenter would make the frame support itself and then the sheet added to the sheet to the outside. The braces should be under compression not under tension. The only fixed part of the door is the hinge side. which means the bottom of braces has to be that side. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 22, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2014 Blimey I didn't know any of that, I thought that being plasticard it would all be ok. sorry. Thank you all for your door input, and I have learned more about door construction than I would have thought possible so thanks guys for your info. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Sorry for side tracking your thread. I spent 25 years plus as a carpenter and builder. These things stick out like a sore thumb to me. The builder here when we had our house built loved and hated me. They liked it cos I could make instant decissions about things, but hate the fact that I picked up everything that was wrong. I think you have and are doing a grand job on this layout. I just hope when I start my layout later in the year I can get it right. I will look forward to being pickup up on all my errors. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 22, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2014 Sorry for side tracking your thread. I spent 25 years plus as a carpenter and builder. These things stick out like a sore thumb to me. The builder here when we had our house built loved and hated me. They liked it cos I could make instant decissions about things, but hate the fact that I picked up everything that was wrong. I think you have and are doing a grand job on this layout. I just hope when I start my layout later in the year I can get it right. I will look forward to being pickup up on all my errors. Hi Peter, I know what you mean, and if something is wrong it's wrong and more so if you are a skilled person, it hits you in the face every time you look at it. Thanks for following and hope you have as much fun building your layout as i am having with mine. all the best Adrian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 22, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2014 Today's the day that the old shed goes to Brasted Station and is settled down in it's new surroundings. Some creeper growing up the side and back, moss on the roof, a bit of left over corrugated iron, and an old ladder. Tommorow the front of the shed will be made to feel at home. Some pics of todays efforts. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted May 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Adrian, that looks brilliant. As you did with the grounded van, you've made it look like it was always there. The colouring on the spare bits of corrugated iron is absolutely spot on, can I ask what colours you used? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdare Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You have a great eye for detail Adrian and I have picked up quite a few good ideas from your posts. I now spend much more time taking notice of my surroundings to observe how things grow and look in the real world. Thanks for sharing your work with us. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Wow Adrian! You say you're having fun with this layout and it certainly shows. This is exhibition grade stuff and I'm surprised the magazines haven't been beating your door down. The fact that your close up photography more than holds up is testament to your modelling - no "cruel close-ups" for you - it's all excellent. I have to agree with Al - you wouldn't know that it has just been planted. The weathered left over corrugated sheets are just sublime. You've probably mentioned it before, but what is the fencing you've used? I think it looks marvellous, and your paint treatment is just superb. I take it you've used enamels? My station is roughly LMS, but LMS station fencing looks pants next to that spear fencing, so I may have to go completely freelance Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 23, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Adrian, that looks brilliant. As you did with the grounded van, you've made it look like it was always there. The colouring on the spare bits of corrugated iron is absolutely spot on, can I ask what colours you used? Al. Hi Al. The colours on the corrugated iron, first a quick spray with pound shop grey primer, then rail match 405 dark rust applied neat from the jar, then washed over with a clean brush loaded with white spirit, as with most of my painting I like to work wet paint on wet paint so so that it blends better, also I am impatient and can't wait for things to dry. all the best Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Several Westerham Branch pics in one of the books that I referred to earlier this week feature H Class 31544. So, if Adrian wins the lottery this weekend, I thought he might want to look at this RTR special : http://www.carriageandwagonmodels.com/wainwright-brsr-h-class-31544-late-crest-610-p.asp 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nest Posted May 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Wonderful as always Adrian, full of atmosphere. Nestor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 23, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2014 Several Westerham Branch pics in one of the books that I referred to earlier this week feature H Class 31544. So, if Adrian wins the lottery this weekend, I thought he might want to look at this RTR special : http://www.carriageandwagonmodels.com/wainwright-brsr-h-class-31544-late-crest-610-p.asp Wow have just gone out and brought a ticket, fingers crossed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 25, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) The old corrugated shed at Brasted, some pictures of the front, before Bodgit It And Scarper Ltd come to change the bracing on the doors. Edited May 25, 2014 by westerhamstation 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Seriously lovely eye for colour. I thnk the real thing has deeper shadows...which is weird when I can see you model has distinctly real shadows. how that makes sense I have no idea. but beautiful work. N.B. That green fencing always reminds me of some zoo fencing i had as a child. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted May 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2014 Adrian, Did you say you did not have a picture of this shed? If so I am sure I have seen one in a book I bought second hand somewhere, and I am certain that the bracing is the wrong way round, just like yours. Looks brilliant either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted May 29, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2014 Bodgit and Scarper turned up today and made a start on the doors.!!! click on link to see some more of their work https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blow+the+doors+off+michael+caine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Great work, Adrian............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 That wouldn't be? .......................... couldn't be .............................. ............................ a picture ......................... of ............................ the original build of the doors ... ........................... sort of rotated through .... "One Hundred and Eeeiiighty" ........... ........................... you wouldn't ... ............... OOooooh .......... think what the neighbors might think [and say here-abouts!] .......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted June 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2014 Hi Julian, I took the old doors off and rotated them through every point of the compass, and all I ended up with were two old doors that had the bracing at the wrong angle, so I have made two new ones. Here is a picture of the old doors during Bodgit and Scarpers door rotation process. all the best Adrian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted June 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2014 On Sunday my son in laws dad kindly gave me a Dapol coal wagon. This needed a bit of battering to fit in with the coal yard at Brasted, I wanted it to look like it was well past it's sell by date (a bit like me), and didn't stray to far from home. It was painted with matt enamel, wet on wet and filled with real coal. This was all done to the accompaniment of hammering and swearing by Bodgit and Scarper trying to remedy the doors on the corrugated shed. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2014 It's amazing how weathering can drastically transform a wagon. Looks superb. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted June 2, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2014 Strewth, is that really the same wagon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted June 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2014 You really do have an exquisite eye for detail and colouring, as DLT says it's hard to see that it's the same wagon. Excellent! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Welcome back, Al. I hope you left the country for your Holiday and didn't drown with the rest of us As everyone else says, Adrian - superb weathering there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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