Multiple identity account 2 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Two points on colour.....White lining when grossly overscale looks vulgar and toylike. Going off the other greens in the above image, the loco green looks 'Darlington' rather than the more yellowy Doncaster green. I thought the greenlooked a tad off The green does look a tad on the cold side to me but the buffer beam also looks a bit off. I think it is a case of wait and see. General shape does look pretty good going by the photos. To me the driving wheels as a set look out of proportion to the whole loco on the real thing and the model captures this look to perfection. Bernard Are you'll seriously going by the color from an image taken under artificial light???? C'mon.... It would be better to go by the image on their facebook page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 Quite, Jeremiah! Even then Graham is quite correct to point out we are viewing on uncalibrated monitors in 99% of cases. Looking forward to the BR livery Bugatti front version myself..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 The three P2s (one complete and two as bodies and tenders only) at STEAM looked stunning - despite my advanced age I never saw a P2 in green so can't comment on if its the correct shade but if the way we mixed paint for military vehicles is anything to go by each batch of paint might have subtle difference in shades. The lining looks fine in teh flesh so to speak and these are stunners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Where would such a thread be without the carpers and hand-wringers? This is the best RTR 4mm P2 most of us will ever see. Get your order in now before the next guy/gal does! Edited September 17, 2013 by Oldddudders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hi Graham, Did you get to see it moving at all? If so, what are your thoughts? Finally did you get any footage? Yes I agree its most likely the best and most unique RTR 4mm loco to date. Mark in OZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2013 Mark Sorry we did not actually run the loco, so I am unable to comment or provide any footage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I don't comment on your day jobs so please do not attempt to tell me about mine. By mentioning it now, Hornby had been allerted to the possibility that the shade of green might be incorrect. Afterall, they have already invested a lot of money in its production so why fall at the final hurdle. I have been involved in producing initial paintjobs for the China companies to copy in the past...... And yes for Hornby. Make no mistake, they make a very good job of colour is they are given the right information. Better to get it right now. All I did was send an alert that the green might be worng. Mod edit to remove unnecessary comment. Edited September 17, 2013 by Mod3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't comment on your day jobs so please do not attempt to tell me about mine. By mentioning it now, Hornby had been allerted to the possibility that the shade of green might be incorrect. Afterall, they have already invested a lot of money in its production so why fall at the final hurdle. I have been involved in producing initial paintjobs for the China companies to copy in the past...... And yes for Hornby. Make no mistake, they make a very good job of colour is they are given the right information. Better to get it right now. All I did was send an alert that the green might be worng. So just when did you last colour calibrate a camera, or a PC monitor Larry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2013 I do wonder about dipping a toe into this debate but I will try because I saw these loco samples at Swindon on Saturday although they were in a Hornby showcase under artificial light - which of itself can affect colour rendition of course. I have never seen LNER green paint in an LNER setting - I'm too young for that but I saw engines in the old York museum and I have a number of contemporaneous postcard illustrations of various LNER engines from the period. The latter show a remarkable consistency between different issuers and printers although some are distinctly different in tone and shade but all have seemingly been kept out of natural light for many years. Based on all of that, and umpteen miss & hit possibilities in both the sample and my comparison colour knowledge (or ignorance?) my own opinion was that the green didn't look quite right. But then as it wasn't painted at Swindon who am I too judge? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod3 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Can we stick to the discussion and drop the personal attacks please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Am I right in thinking that colour samples for Silver Link were obtained from the 1935 Doncaster model held in the NRM? Is there any similar references for the P2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Am I right in thinking that colour samples for Silver Link were obtained from the 1935 Doncaster model held in the NRM? Is there any similar references for the P2? Maybe........I've had these for years prepared by either Masons or Williamsons, suppiers of transport paint to the railways since pre-grouping days....(They are merely to show such things might be still available. It is Doncaster shade and I think I am right in saying it was purchased for painting 'Green Arrow' at the time). Edited September 17, 2013 by coachmann 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 oh eck....that shows as almost as dark as BR 'Brunswick' green on this monitor at work.....but that's been through Larry's scanner, computer (PC or Apple?), the interweb, our IOM Government servers, and this cheap and nasty work PC and LCD monitor. I'd love to see those in the flesh though Larry, for sure, that would be incredibly interesting to compare to a computer rendition of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) For the record I was not defending if the colour was right or wrong as I certainly do not have the knowledge of all things green north of the Thames but just pointing the failings of my pictures that were not taken under ideal conditions. I apologise if it my post came across otherwise. Edited September 17, 2013 by Graham_Muz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 oh eck....that shows as almost as dark as BR 'Brunswick' green on this monitor at work.....but that's been through Larry's scanner, computer (PC or Apple?), the interweb, our IOM Government servers, and this cheap and nasty work PC and LCD monitor. I'd love to see those in the flesh though Larry, for sure, that would be incredibly interesting to compare to a computer rendition of them. I did say they were merely to show that the NRM might be able to assist if required to do so. For the record, they matched Precision Paints Doncaster Green when it used to be sold as gloss paint. Pointing to a respected model paint is better than me pointlessly trying to match my monitor with the actual sample......but here goes..... Back on topic, Hornby's model looks the bees-knees and will probably be appearing on layouts near us all if only in a 'funny hour'....Glad to have seen Grahams images.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Going off the other greens in the above image, the loco green looks 'Darlington' rather than the more yellowy Doncaster green. Nothing wrong with that at all! In fact, I'd suggest they keep it that way!! Watch how everyone takes that really really really seriously..... Edited September 17, 2013 by The Black Hat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 I've commented on other threads about the accuracy or otherwise of Bachmann's and Hornby's shades of BR(S) green. And here we are again with LNER greens. I have no way of knowing what colour is right - I too am too young to have seen it in the flesh - but what I do think coachmann's posted images demonstrate very well is that green of any ilk seems to be one of, if not the most, difficult colours to match. However accurate the green is on the P2 images we have seen, as a model it really does look the bees knees. Isn't that the most important thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will5210 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Surely Hornby will make the Apple Green the same as every other Apple green loco they've made? (though I understand the 'Aussie' Flying Scotsman is a slightly different shade for some reason). Coachmann's NRM green looks very similar to the Railmatch paint I was spraying last night, which seems lighter than Hornby or Bachmann's version to me. Regardless, I still can't wait for the P2 though!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I've commented on other threads about the accuracy or otherwise of Bachmann's and Hornby's shades of BR(S) green. And here we are again with LNER greens. I have no way of knowing what colour is right - I too am too young to have seen it in the flesh - but what I do think coachmann's posted images demonstrate very well is that green of any ilk seems to be one of, if not the most, difficult colours to match. However accurate the green is on the P2 images we have seen, as a model it really does look the bees knees. Isn't that the most important thing? The real point is it doesn't matter whether one is 4 years old or 90 years old, the LNER greens (and other railway colours) are there in the tinlets of Precision Phoenix paints and the even older firm of Cherries. We can be grateful they were mixed by dedicated gentlemen many years ago for us all to use in the confident knowledge that we are using near-as-dammit correct colours. Darlington or Doncaster green does matter depending where locos were built or regularly shopped. Although shot in preservation, the B1 (Doncaster green) and D49 (Darlington green) does give a clue as to the differences wth one at the yellow end of the spectrum and the other at the blue end.... Edited September 17, 2013 by coachmann 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Railmatch is a good match for the LNER Bachmann A2's . Precision Doncaster Green is much darker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) oh eck....that shows as almost as dark as BR 'Brunswick' green on this monitor at work.....but that's been through Larry's scanner, computer (PC or Apple?), the interweb, our IOM Government servers, and this cheap and nasty work PC and LCD monitor. I'd love to see those in the flesh though Larry, for sure, that would be incredibly interesting to compare to a computer rendition of them. Unlike CRTs, LCD monitors appear different colours depending on the angle you view them at. (most pronounced vertically) I can get Coach's samples to look anywhere between almost black and a pale sage green! I could check the colour using Coreldraw and some Pantone samples I have but I can't be bothered! I just hope Hornby get it somewhere near correct. I have just pre-ordered (after much procrastination) a P2. It doesn't fit in with my layout, but it just looks so good! Keith Edited September 17, 2013 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2013 It wasn't a criticism Larry - merely a comment about how colours can differ. I wouldn't presume to lecture you on paint colours! Your second post of the swatch looks much more to the yellow end, the first the blue, on my home monitor - which is calibrated for my printer, if nothing else! The shot of the B1 and D49 says it all really. The D49 doesn't look 'right'.......but is. fascinating stuff. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 The shot of the B1 and D49 says it all really. The D49 doesn't look 'right'.......but is. fascinating stuff. Shame there arent more Darlington green engines out there.... wonder if Hornby, reading this actually thinks a run of P2s in fictious form of Darlington green, BR Brunswick or BR Blue would be worthwhile.... Darlington green does look great. But then I would say that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Cue the references to:Fifty Shades of Green - a new novel of obsession,(to the details of extinct railway locomotive and coach liveries).If I recall correctly there was a thread asking about accurate hues of BR(SR) and Bulleid green coaching stock the other day. LSWR sage is another contentious colour. And yes, this was intended in jest. I have a great deal of respect for people who work very hard to get it 'just right'. It is difficult. Edited September 17, 2013 by Ozexpatriate 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2013 Latest report on http://www.a1steam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=697&Itemid=247 suggests that those who are stating they have never seen a P2 in the flesh may, in the fullness of time, have to retract that statement! Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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