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Brighton Belle in N !


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What an intriguing development, and it raises more questions than it answers.

 

What scale is it to?

Who are the intended market?

Is this a one-off or the start of a push by Hornby into N gauge?

 

The impression I got was that Hornby had tested the waters with their Lyddle End range and decided it was not worth them pursuing british N gauge. I would be delighted to be proved wrong as they have plenty of good models that I would love to see shrunk to N gauge. However many of the best prototypes they model in 00 have been cherry-picked by Dapol in N gauge already (sensibly as they are both competing against Bachmann/Farish, albeit in different scales).

 

I await more information with interest.

I think this is the do or die effort for the Hornby group in N gauge. Dapol and Bachmann have carved up the main market to themselves already and it's a dicey area to go into, but the prestige train set market might be it, which is sort of in keeping with what Arnold have always done. It may end up too pricey for the UK market in general, but i suspect that it will sit nicely in a "Famous Trains of the World" range and sell well internationally, even if it isn't to 1:160 (let's face it, it would have to be 1:148 or they will lose a lot of the UK market potential if this is the stalking horse to get Hornby in there).

 

If it works out well enough I can see Arnold picking off the other Hornby EMU sets - Pendalino (now on backburner from Dapol), Javlin/395, 4VEP and 2BIL in due course. Oh, and maybe Eurostar (but I suspect that'll be in 1:160...).

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Coolio :) My slighly rusty German spotted one whopping mistake in the text (LB&SCR rather than SR) and a whole bunch of goodies :) Flywheel drive, working table lights, DCC ready etc.

 

I suspect the price point is going to be uncomfortable to UK sensibilities, but in line with Arnold's normal practices, but nice one Hornby!

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It's 1:148. Try this link:

 

http://www.Hornby.de/ftp/Brigton_Belle_Neuheiten2013.pdf

 

Regards,

Les

 

Did anyone notice the second page on this link - there's a blue/grey one too.

 

Hornby international has started using Hornby (i.e. UK) track and controllers (both DC and DCC) in their Jouef and Rivarossi train sets, so if this is a success I can see Hornby moving on to other models including UK outline train sets in N gauge using the existing Arnold brand track.

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Hornby international has started using Hornby (i.e. UK) track and controllers (both DC and DCC) in their Jouef and Rivarossi train sets, so if this is a success I can see Hornby moving on to other models including UK outline train sets in N gauge using the existing Arnold brand track.

It looks like they have standardised on two track systems (Hornby for H0/00 and Arnold for N) certainly (it's apparently the reason for the introduction of the above board point motor and the motorise-able uncoupler which were expected within most continental ranges). I suspect they are wanting to grab the premium end of the market as there's not much space been left by Dapol and Bachmann for the bread and butter models, so Hornby will want to tread carefully here. The one thing that struck me on the way into work this morning is that Hornby have plenty of Pullman CAD done, perhaps that might be one way forward if Arnold later dips its toe into UK rolling stock and would fit with the premium product kinda thing. As to locos to haul them, I'd really not want to make that call - almost anything appropriate would be duplicating an existing or forthcoming model done to modern standards (makes me think even more that EMUs may be the way to go).

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The one thing that struck me on the way into work this morning is that Hornby have plenty of Pullman CAD done, perhaps that might be one way forward if Arnold later dips its toe into UK rolling stock and would fit with the premium product kinda thing. As to locos to haul them, I'd really not want to make that call - almost anything appropriate would be duplicating an existing or forthcoming model done to modern standards (makes me think even more that EMUs may be the way to go).

I think you may be onto something here. If the BB sells well then the sort of models I expect to follow it are the iconic ones. Pullmans are a possibility, maybe the Javelin and Pendolino. Locos could be tricky, Farish and Dapol are carving up most of the big express types fairly quickly between them. LNER fans are almost spoiled for choice of Pacifics. SR modellers have Schools, BoB, WC and MN coming out this year. LMS is firmly Farish territory. That just leave the GWR who currently have nothing bigger than a Hall to modern standards. I would definitely love to see a decent N gauge Castle but I would have thought this would be more likely from Dapol as they already have the 4000 gallon collett tender drive sorted.

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On the other hand, Hornby have recently done an all-new Castle and on the Southern front the King Arthur would be a possibility. But now we are into pure speculation!

 

Incidentally, a little victory for Peco here in getting Arnold to accept 1:148 scale as N :sungum:

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Great news.

 

It'll be interesting to see if more British N Gauge models follow on from the Belle. Quite a few of the more popular prototypes have gone but there's still plenty to go at (DoG, Princess, N2, N15, L1, O1, 06, County, Sentinel shunter, Big 4 coaches, Rudd, Clam, OTA, Shark etc). I wonder if we'll see a certain blue tank-ending in 1:148 scale too?

 

Funny that Hornby are pushing into N when Dapol appear to be moving away from it and back to OO (after re-building themselves with their N Gauge range).

 

I'm not sure if Hornby/Arnold count as a small supplier though (other than the scale). Perhaps this thread needs moving.... :no:

 

The next few years could be very interesting!

 

Happy modelling.

 

Steven B.

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Funny that Hornby are pushing into N when Dapol appear to be moving away from it and back to OO (after re-building themselves with their N Gauge range).

My guess is that they have both worked out that Bachmann is making savings by spreading the costs of R&D across 2 different scales. In Hornby's case, they also have access to the Arnold brand and range of mechanisms which will make life a lot easier (at least for diesel and electric prototypes). Of course I would love to see more steamers in N gauge too put I won't get my hopes up yet on the basis of a single announcement, welcome though it certainly is.

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Funny that Hornby are pushing into N when Dapol appear to be moving away from it and back to OO (after re-building themselves with their N Gauge range).

 

I'm not sure Dapol would agree with you here considering they have this year announced a raft of N gauge models including, keeping on the Southern theme, Bulleid pacifics (Light Pacifics in both original and rebuilt and Rebuilt Merchant Navy Pacifics) Schools class and a range of Maunsell Coaches...

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Very interesting but also very strange. If Hornby are entering into British N you'd think there would be a bit of  a fanfare rather than hidden on their international website and then there is just a photo hidden away

 

I can't see this at all on the Hornby international website. I am rather sceptical given this is a huge announcement for Hornby and is evidently well hidden on the website.

 

Based on a comment from Simon Kohler reported elsewhere; I suspect that there was intended to be a big launch anouncement (I'd guess at the Nuremberg Toy Fair at the end of this Month??) but it appears to have leaked out early by being placed on an area of their website that wasn't quite as well hidden as they thought...

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Not unusual for a limited edition model to have an order deadline. Maybe this a sign that the Belle is well-advanced or that there is a long order lead time for some "specialised" components. or it is to reassure the Hornby management that British N has enough weight to justify the investment in a five car train with three different body shells. The main problem to me seems to be getting the message to market soon enough for people to order by 8 March, or for retailers to have the confidence to order larger quantities on spec. I think it is a sensible move for Hornby/Arnold which I hope is rewarded by a surge of pre-orders which encourages them to look at the 4VEP, 2BIL, Etc. and Farish to move ahead on the MLV and 2EPB.

 

Mike

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It seems very common for models in most of Europe to have a fairly short ordering deadline.  Presumably it allows manufacturers to tailor the number of models they make so that none are "left over".

 

David

 

Corrected the obligatory spelling mistake.

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Hi Gang;

 

Looks like a 3 car set with a follow-up two car add-on....judging by the serial numbers.

 

Not my glass of champagne, but an incredibly interesting development!!!

 

Later;

STU from EGDL

To add to the above, the German PDF linked above shows :

the 3-car sets - product codes HN3000 and HN3001 for pullman colours or blue-grey

 

plus 2-car add-on packs - unpowered (Ergänzungsset ohne Antrieb) - product codes HN3500 and HN3501 respectively

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Has anyone seen any online retailers offering preorders? A bit hasty I know, but a lot of UK retailers seem to be quick off the mark when Hornby UK announce new lines. It'll be interesting to see the price too.

 

Pix

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Although not something I'd purchase, I've done an online search to see what the price is out of interest, but nothing has come up using the product code in the German advertisement.  I guess websites won't have been updated at the moment as it seems this news wasn't going to be released yet.

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It's starting to look very promising; 1:148 scale, a 'new' (or is it another) entry in to British N gauge for Hornby and an iconic train with very high specification (even the Farish blue Pullman doesn't have working table lights). But a very strange approach to marketing. And two very important questions questions remain unanswered; when and how much.

 

G.

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It is from Hornby International, go onto their website, click on Arnold and a pop-up window appears, after some Rivarossi/Electrotrain announcements, there it is.

And in the pop-up window for Rivarossi are several versions of the USTC dock tank for H0 scale.  Is this new?

Mods - please feel free to move this since it is nothing to do with an N gauge Brighton Belle ;)

 

Norm

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