'CHARD Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Reports now in the media suggesting a WCRC empty stock train has derailed and caught fire on or near Windsor Bridge in Manchester. ITV report and short video here: http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2013-01-23/train-derails-in-manchester/#derailed-train-catches-fire-on-a-manchester-city-centre-bridge_150706 Edited January 23, 2013 by 'CHARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekypaul Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21168719 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 That's pretty decent from the BBC. Crucially - no-one's hurt. It was a 47 after all. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 Oh dear - them again; not having a good time of late and I suspect this one will not only attract the attention of RAIB but, unless it is down to an infrastructure fault, will add to calls to remove the £5,000 limit on charter operators for delay etc costs as it is going to be an expensive job. BTW as best I can make out it is at Ordsall Lane Jcn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 47 500 in strife with 47 584 at the other end I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2013 Oh dear - them again; not having a good time of late and I suspect this one will not only attract the attention of RAIB but, unless it is down to an infrastructure fault, will add to calls to remove the £5,000 limit on charter operators for delay etc costs as it is going to be an expensive job. Just speculating - which I know I shouldn't until more facts are known, but the fire does look to be in the bogie area - handbrake left on? Cheers, Mick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 Just speculating - which I know I shouldn't until more facts are known, but the fire does look to be in the bogie area - handbrake left on? Cheers, Mick I did wonder as it does look low down on the loco in one picture, rather like a bad underframe fire (but that is surmise on my part - just that it does look a bit like what I have seen of bad underframe fires). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The question is was the train on fire before it derailed or did it that occur after? The fuel tank could have been damaged as it derailed, however we will all have to wait for the official reports on the incident for factual information on what occurred? XF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 My take is that the engine derailed, fuel tank ruptured, sparks igniting fuel. With that amount of flame and white smoke it has to be a lot of diesel fueling the flames. What caused it to derail is another matter - such a multitude of possibilites i don't think I could attempt to narrow it down to even just a few! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 This couldn't have happened at a worse place. This Junction is very, very busy. Glad no one injured. Having it rough the railways of Salford recently. The Diamond at Salford Crescent Junction failed around Christmas, and may not be relaid untill April. (according to link below). It was straight - lined, leaving a single track in the Salford Crescent - Man Vic line for a short distance. This is / has caused serious problems. Not sure if this bit of line is back to normal. By the way Todays incident was around a mile east of Salford Crescent and not at this junction. Long complicated story if your interested here. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=77356 Brit15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 good pics on the MEN site http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-train-fire-derailed-heritage-1237448 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Good Pix - see some gantrys are up for the Liverpool - Manchester electrification. Brit15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon47603 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 By the looks of it, that's the end of 47500!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I would agree Titan - I would think the loco derailed first and ruptured a fuel tank and then took fire - it will be interesting to find out in time. Unusual in my eyes for the heavy locomotive to leave the tracks when on the back of the train or maybe the points failed or something under 47500. A shame for one time celebrity 47500 - in BR days all sorts used to get fixed up after bogie fires - depends on the damage level I guess but this now has derailment damage too! Anyway thankfully everyone is OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger440 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Oh dear - them again; Exactly what i thought! May of course be infrastructure of course, maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Good to see some quality journalism, I never realised a Class 47 was a steam train. http://www.wishfm.net/news/local/train-was-old-fashioned-passenger-steam-train/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 47500 in better days. I assume it'll be heading for the scrap merchant now. BR Class 47 47500, Acton Main Line Station, 8th. May 1987. by Crewcastrian, on Flickr 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Amused that Chard started the thread. In the case of 47500, perhaps it should have been charred! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2013 That's pretty decent from the BBC. Crucially - no-one's hurt. It was a 47 after all. Shame. Yep another 47 bound for the scrape yard. Heart braking Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningduck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Good to see some quality journalism, I never realised a Class 47 was a steam train. http://www.wishfm.net/news/local/train-was-old-fashioned-passenger-steam-train/ Wow... "It was quite a significant fire in the sense that it was a fire on a train which isn't the norm.'' And then the fire brigade fought the fire with ''foam branches'', thats pitiful reporting! On the other hand, good set of photos from GMFRS, and interesting to see they could get a fire engine so close (on the track?) and could bring a forklift truck with them? Edited January 23, 2013 by cunningduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 Wow... "It was quite a significant fire in the sense that it was a fire on a train which isn't the norm.'' And then the fire brigade fought the fire with ''foam branches'', thats pitiful reporting! On the other hand, good set of photos from GMFRS, and interesting to see they could get a fire engine so close (on the track?) and could bring a forklift truck with them? What do they call foam branches nowadays then? And road access looks very easy indeed - fortunately - judging from Google Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Wow... "It was quite a significant fire in the sense that it was a fire on a train which isn't the norm.'' And then the fire brigade fought the fire with ''foam branches'', thats pitiful reporting! On the other hand, good set of photos from GMFRS, and interesting to see they could get a fire engine so close (on the track?) and could bring a forklift truck with them? I wouldn't think that GMFRS deal with too many train fires. IIRC the last 'significant' train fire involving GMFRS was the collision at Eccles in 1984 where 45147 was incinerated. With a large fire more than likely involving diesel fuel, foam would be the medium of choice, so foam branches would be needed to apply the foam. The foam branch mixes the foam liquid with water. Edited January 23, 2013 by Baby Deltic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 Exactly what i thought! Whatever one may think of the smaller operators, if you value the retention of the charter market, I wouldn't be so quick to condemn WCR, who do a lot of good stuff, too. No one's perfect, but if they are responsible for this incident, then clearly they'll have to accept the consequences of that. But - as ever - we should await the outcome of the official investigations... 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 My take is that the engine derailed, fuel tank ruptured, sparks igniting fuel. With that amount of flame and white smoke it has to be a lot of diesel fueling the flames. What caused it to derail is another matter - such a multitude of possibilites i don't think I could attempt to narrow it down to even just a few! Same as what i was thinken too buddy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 ..........................., and interesting to see they could get a fire engine so close (on the track?) and could bring a forklift truck with them? The fire was right opposite the signalling REB which feeds the junction at Ordsall Lane. There is an gate about 200 yards away with vehicle access right up to the REB for maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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