Trev52A Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Here's a train makeup which might raise a few eyebrows in model form: photographed climbing Shap on 15th July 1967 is a 'Black 5' with a four-coach train bound for Carlisle. Three of the coaches are ex-LMS I believe (fair enough) but the first one (unless I'm mistaken) is a BR Mk1 - in Southern Region green! Perhaps a transfer prior to repainting? The train (reporting number 1L27) which was steam-hauled from Crewe that summer, was the 11.55(SO) ex-Euston which split at Oxenholme (for Windermere), with the front 3 or 4 coaches for Carlisle. I saw the train several times that summer but never again with a green coach. A colour shot of this train, photographed lower down the bank on the same day, appeared in one of the railways mags a few months ago which reminded me I had this b&w version. Trevor Edited October 24, 2017 by Trev52A 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 The paint used in the late 1940s to paint out previous pre-war liveries was mostly of poor quality, so it faded so badly that underlying livery fragments came to light again.I remember the Midland 2F from Monument Lane which ran on the Harborne Branch around 1960/61 had the outline of its LMS number clearly visible through a thin covering of black paint from when it got its BR number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 You certainly have a knack of catching some tremendous photos Trev! I'm also including the Western ones on the Hydraulic group. Nice to see some P3 Staniers. The composite looks in quite a fresh condition considering they were in their twilight. Top work! Regards Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 You certainly have a knack of catching some tremendous photos Trev! I'm also including the Western ones on the Hydraulic group. Nice to see some P3 Staniers. The composite looks in quite a fresh condition considering they were in their twilight. Top work! Regards Guy Thanks, Guy. The photo also shows we shouldn't worry too much if the coach roofs on our layouts don't match! Cheers Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 I wonder what that working is? It is certainly well patronised. The green Mk1 is probably one of those which appeared quite regularly in the mid to late 60s in northern England. Wasn't it something to do with a move of steam heat vehicles away from the SR after the Bournemouth electrification went live? I know a few appear on Woodhead videos prior to the cessation of regular schedule passenger services over that route; and one turns up at Church Fenton on videos of local York-Leeds commuter services. I also remember one or two turning up in the consist of holiday trains to Skegness and Mablethorpe during the late 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 It's a 1568: https://flic.kr/p/YDg5yn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I'm sure I've seen a picture of a pair of 153s with a 150 MS between. Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 When you can`t be bothered to glue the headcode box, on straight (taken from Pinterest) 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railsquid Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Looks like the connecting door was kicked by a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Note also, the different positions for the electrification warning plates and the left side lamp..... and the lengths of the handrails above the head code boxes. Edited October 26, 2017 by jonny777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Note also, the different positions for the electrification warning plates and the left side lamp..... and the lengths of the handrails above the head code boxes. First rule of Class 22 detail picking : no two are exactly alike..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 Isn't the one on the left an ex disc one? Can't be many pictures of these next to MGRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Yes it is Russ, off the top of my head, likely candidates with the bolted on headcode boxes would be D6302, D6307 and D6324, a date for the photo would help but I suspect it could well be D6307. D6302 was modified to flush boxes and repainted BFYE later on. Little known fact - D6326 also had the bolted on variety for a very short period in green but I don't think this one is it. Edited October 26, 2017 by Rugd1022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 First rule of Class 22 detail picking : no two are exactly alike..! Surely that applies to any reasonably large class of locomotive. Hence the sentence in most kit instructions "Try and obtain clear photographs of the loco.you wish to model" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 Surely that applies to any reasonably large class of locomotive. Hence the sentence in most kit instructions "Try and obtain clear photographs of the loco.you wish to model" Doesn't need to be a reasonably large class !! Here's 50% of gWr's 57 fleet, one has white cab door handrails the other silver, one black cab window surrounds the other green, yellow or black rimmed lights, different size numbers, with or without electric flashes, orange cantrail stripe in a different place........ Cheers, Phil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 It's a 1568: https://flic.kr/p/YDg5yn It was supposedly a means of combatting leaf fall/wheel slide problems. The 156 has clasp brakes that clean the tread surface, whereas the 158 has disc brakes and the wheels are very prone to building up leaf mulch. The experiment didn't last long. Cheers, Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Stuck your BR 'double arrow' on back to front? Don't worry, the big trains did it as well! Carlisle, 1st April 1967 (No, it's not an 'April Fool'!) Trevor 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2017 Stuck your BR 'double arrow' on back to front? Don't worry, the big trains did it as well! (2298bS) D5068 Carlisle 1-4-67 (T Ermel).jpg Carlisle, 1st April 1967 (No, it's not an 'April Fool'!) Trevor If it's a transfer how does that happen? Rotate it 180 and it's still the same! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2017 If it's a transfer how does that happen? Rotate it 180 and it's still the same! Keith I know Sealink had opposite arrows for the ships' chimneys so that the upper arrow always faced forwards - but they were way bigger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I know Sealink had opposite arrows for the ships' chimneys so that the upper arrow always faced forwards - but they were way bigger!FUNNELS!!! Steam engines have chimneys; ships have funnels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It was supposedly a means of combatting leaf fall/wheel slide problems. The 156 has clasp brakes that clean the tread surface, whereas the 158 has disc brakes and the wheels are very prone to building up leaf mulch. The experiment didn't last long. Cheers, Mick Just a thought, but was it necessarily to do with adhesion, or was it not the case that for the reason you say the Class 158 were disappearing off track circuits as the wheel surface was not being conditioned/ scrubbed. I believe this led to the partially accidental invention of TCA (Track Circuit Assist), which was then retrofitted to the 158s. Wild Boar Fell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) FUNNELS!!! Steam engines have chimneys; ships have funnels! Apologies, I was thinking of putting smokestacks but thought that was a bit too old fashioned Where I woz from, factories had chimbleys... Edited October 27, 2017 by Ramblin Rich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Stuck your BR 'double arrow' on back to front? Don't worry, the big trains did it as well! (2298bS) D5068 Carlisle 1-4-67 (T Ermel).jpg Carlisle, 1st April 1967 (No, it's not an 'April Fool'!) Trevor Just checked the 1967 BR Rule Book, it says when the above backwards logo is encountered, it means bang road working will be instigated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 FUNNELS!!! I rated that "Funny" in the absence of a "Funnel" icon. Close... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2017 If it's a transfer how does that happen? Rotate it 180 and it's still the same! Keith Rotating 180 deg does not give the same result as back to front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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