jonny777 Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Now, you will understand how much of a naive prude I am, when I mention that I saw the two shapes on the loco as a pair of wine glasses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 So did I…. but then, I'm getting on a bit and my objectives in life have changed. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted October 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2016 Does anyone have any info on this train from the late 1990s? Scan-161021-0001.jpg Definitely Bletchley, you can see the side of the flyover on the far right of 31468. Was due to poor DMU availabiltiy at the time as the service relied on the cast-offs from almost everywhere. Central Trains had a similar trial with a six coach train between Nottingham and Skegness for summer extras, came to nothing at the time, but later was covered by spare HSTs. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thanks for that link BR(S). I did not keep up with the railways much after privatisation, and so had no idea these DMU substitutes had appeared. From the photos on the Sixbells site, it would appear that passengers had a distinct upgrade from the Mk1s shown in the website photos with the Mk2 aircon coaches being substituted at some point. On the 12th May 1999 31452 and 31468 were working the Bletchley/Bedford service, with coaches 5630 and 17164. The other diagram on the route was a pair of Class 121 single cars, one of which was locked out of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2016 Telephoto lens makes this gradient like a model in this picture from Facebook of yesterday's RPSI GM railtour. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Telephoto lens makes this gradient like a model in this picture from Facebook of yesterday's RPSI GM railtour. FB_IMG_1477248282101.jpg Someone is running a HO coach in their train! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2016 That is a BR mk 1 built to BR loading gauge whereas the rest of the carriages are Cravens built to take full advantage of the wider Irish loading gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I wonder if they de-meshed the gears on the 08? It would be a long slow journey if they didn't... Actually I wonder what the maximum permitted speed of an 08 with de-meshed gears actually is - be surprised if it was much above 40mph! I think the maximum speed of a de-meshed class 08 was (is?) 35mph. I have a WR Sectional Appendix that refers to the Western Region Civil Engineers locos PWM 650-654 which were restricted to 35mph when de-meshed, and subject to examination at not greater than 50 mile intervals, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I think the maximum speed of a de-meshed class 08 was (is?) 35mph. I have a WR Sectional Appendix that refers to the Western Region Civil Engineers locos PWM 650-654 which were restricted to 35mph when de-meshed, and subject to examination at not greater than 50 mile intervals, cheers I recall reading (browsing) in Smiffs reading rooms an article in a recent periodical about the PWM shunters and that movement in trains between major PW worksites was a regular occurrence, citing this as an advantage over the standard 350hp (class 08) shunter. Until that point I'd assumed the PWMs were diesel mechanical like others of their appearance, but seemingly not; the article implied iirc that it de-meshing gears an easy thing to do on those - don't know about the standard 08 though. Now if only I could remember which magazine it was...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I recall reading (browsing) in Smiffs reading rooms an article in a recent periodical about the PWM shunters and that movement in trains between major PW worksites was a regular occurrence, citing this as an advantage over the standard 350hp (class 08) shunter. Until that point I'd assumed the PWMs were diesel mechanical like others of their appearance, but seemingly not; the article implied iirc that it de-meshing gears an easy thing to do on those - don't know about the standard 08 though. Now if only I could remember which magazine it was...... Wikipedia (I know) suggests the demeshing faciliity on the PWMs is a design feature:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_97/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardbealach Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Two shots from June 2005 on the SRPS West Highland trip with two Class 37's in charge appearing to go down a switchback southbound across Rannoch Moor. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Wikipedia (I know) suggests the demeshing faciliity on the PWMs is a design feature:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_97/6 Think it was supposed to be a design feature on the 08's too, but supposedly a pig of a job to do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Think it was supposed to be a design feature on the 08's too, but supposedly a pig of a job to do! You can also push start them but there was too much damage to side rods so it was stopped! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yellow on 24081. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/29746788533/in/faves-45827152@N07/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 50026 in 1990 for anyone who has not positioned a transfer very straight: 50033 & 50026 by Richard Buckley, on Flickr 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Is that the very rare sight of two operational 50s, or the more common sight of a 50 being rescued? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2016 You can also push start them but there was too much damage to side rods so it was stopped! Mark Saunders Also tended to strip gear wheels if not done with the right degree of care (and luck) - hence the practice was banned in South Wales in c1971/72. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 This is an example of Rule 1 actually applying to the 12 inches = 1 foot scale layout. 20096 20065 08xxx chesterfield 6_89.jpg This is 20096 and 20065 near Chesterfield in June 1989. I believe that the 08 is in the train and not on an adjacent track ( joke ), but the parcels vans appear to be followed by about a dozen MGR wagons. Not the kind of train makeup that you see very often. Pure speculation but I wonder if this is a case of one train rescuing another? e.g. the pair of 20s on an empty MGR rescuing the 08, which has failed while hauling a bunch of parcels vans (seems more plausible than the 08 hauling a bunch of MGRs and 2x20 hauling parcels, but could be this way around). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Pure speculation but I wonder if this is a case of one train rescuing another? e.g. the pair of 20s on an empty MGR rescuing the 08, which has failed while hauling a bunch of parcels vans (seems more plausible than the 08 hauling a bunch of MGRs and 2x20 hauling parcels, but could be this way around). As the 08 is in spotless ex-works condition it would lend weight to the idea it is being transferred after overhaul. I suspect that the other vehicles are going to/from works too - does one of the GUV's have a door missing? And can anyone see what the vehicle between the vans and hoppers is? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2016 Also love the clichéd Land Rover in the adjacent field Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendlerail Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I witnessed at Manchester Victoria the other day one of the stone trains formed of HTA coal hoppers with a tail lamp on both ends of the rake, only the rear one lit of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2016 I witnessed at Manchester Victoria the other day one of the stone trains formed of HTA coal hoppers with a tail lamp on both ends of the rake, only the rear one lit of course. And if the signalman had seen it it should have been stopped, against the rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendlerail Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I did wonder that myself, I was very surprised to see the lamp facing the loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Such things often don't get seen these days. I saw an eastbound 142 pass Parkside last year with no tail lamps lit. Of course, there was no way I could alert anyone, so I assume it just kept on to its destination. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Duplicate post Edited November 12, 2016 by LMS2968 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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