RMweb Gold nest Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2015 Great to see the layout in the flesh yesterday. Hope the second day goes well Nestor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 Busy period on the Shawplan stand. Midday, Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2015 You can pick me some paint up while its busy then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 Mike demonstrates the correct use of bending bars. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2015 Mark doesn't seem too bothered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 20, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 Mark doesn't seem too bothered. I knew he'd miss what he was aiming for by 0.6mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 A distinct possibility, I need an action packed layout across from us to keep me from somnambulence. Mike. Indeed... Sleeping on the job again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 I think I worked out the root cause of the lack of patron problem. Making customers beg tends to upset them... ;-p 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2015 Baby Baby, I'd get down on my knee's for you.If you would serve me , like you used to do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 "Spend over £20 and I'll give you your walking stick back." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 It didn't seem to be overly busy this morning, there were a couple of dozen or so of us waiting to get in at 10.00. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 20, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 What a weekend! Really pleased with how well the layout ran. Yes, the couplings need more work and layout itself (and the stock) is still a work in progress. Having spent a couple of days operating I might revise the fiddle yard design to make them easier to use and more reliable. Thanks to Terry Bendall and the Scaleforum team for inviting the layout despite it being unfinished and to everybody who chatted with me over the weekend. Thanks also to Andy and Chris for their help operating (and Mike for the banter!). A great weekend - after a couple of frantic weeks getting the layout ready I'm completely exhausted now though! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 It looks to have great potential and seemed to perform well enough for a first outing, the bluish tinge to the lighting, looked as if it was changing the colour balance somewhat. I didn't spot Tina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 20, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 A few photos from the weekend. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2015 Did you get any shots of that bloke in shorts and the tropical shirt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2015 Did you get any shots of that bloke in shorts and the tropical shirt? Hopefully not, there are children present. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 21, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2015 Did you get any shots of that bloke in shorts and the tropical shirt? Afraid not, my phone camera was struggling enough with the colour balance due to the layout lights, not sure what it would have made of your shirt/shorts combo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 Stoke Mandeville has had enough trouble in the past with strange looking flamboyantly dressed men, don't want all that again. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 22, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 While the weekend is still fresh in my mind, ignoring for a moment the unfinished elements of the layout it's time for some reflections on what went well and what didn't. Overall the track on the scenic board was fine, no major issues and no persistent derailments. Some slight manual adjustment of the turnout operating linkages was required (in one case due to a screw falling out in transit), but the servos worked consistently and reliably. A couple of the wagons in particular could do with a little more weight. Where derailments did happen it was usually as a result of something coming off in the fiddle yard, but not being noticed until out front. This the first time I've used steel rail (rather than nickel silver); it seemed to remain clean over the weekend and had no dirt issue with locos, most of which are fitted with Black Beetle wheels, which I believe are stainless steel. I'm a little unimpressed with the frog juicer; the spark when it detects a short is far too obvious and I'm concerned about what damage this is doing to the rail and/or wheels. I think I'll be looking at an alternative way of switching the common crossing polarity. I need to spend more time setting up the AJs properly, some of them were fitted in a bit of a rush and caused a few issues, need to check the springiness of the coupling or the amount of counterweight is not too much for the magnets on a few of them too. It is probably the fiddle yard which require the most attention. The left end may get a couple of turnouts one on the mainline and one on the rear siding. At the right end there is a height discrepancy at the board joint which needs sorting. We didn't really use the cassettes as cassettes, just left them in place and I'm considering a sector plate possibly with a built in traverser on the deck for running round. Finally, the thing which attracted the most comments; the lighting. As I explained a few times over the weekend, the present lighting was chosen more on its availability than its specification! Had I read the full spec (rather than buying in a hurry on a mobile app) I would have known that what I had was a "cool white" of 5500K, whereas the "warm white" I replaced was 3000K. Daylight White lighting is (I gather) around 4500K. I have bought a remote control dimmer to add to the existing set up to see what effect this has - I appreciate it wont change the colour, but will be interesting to experiment. I'll probably add a section of warm white to balance the cool white and bring it closer to daylight, possibly also with a dimmer so I can tune the balance between the two. I may also look at adding some diffused lighting at the rear or a warm white spotlight to add some directional lighting. Basically, don't worry, I'm going to play around with a few different options, it won't look as blue next time! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 22, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 Some interesting info and a useful chart of LED colour temperatures here: http://www.seesmartled.com/kb/choosing_color_temperature/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Some interesting info and a useful chart of LED colour temperatures here: http://www.seesmartled.com/kb/choosing_color_temperature/ The lights on Black Country Blues are not Blue and give no blue effects with photographs, yet the colour temperature listed on the bulbs is 6700K, seems confusing Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted September 22, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2015 That's both interesting and confusing Geoff, I did wonder what colour temperature those bulbs were rated at. I wonder if part of my problem is that I have too much light, given that I am using 5m of LEDs to light a <1.5m long layout. Will see what the dimmer does when it arrives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2015 BCB is also a lot bigger ( higher bulbs) so the light is less concentrated in the layout. Is it worth trying a paper cover over the LEDs to diffuse the light - possibly a slightly coloured paper ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted September 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 That's both interesting and confusing Geoff, I did wonder what colour temperature those bulbs were rated at. I wonder if part of my problem is that I have too much light, given that I am using 5m of LEDs to light a <1.5m long layout. Will see what the dimmer does when it arrives. Are the old lights beyond repair... I know that you had a go but went for a new set with the deadline imminent. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Oh very interesting.... I am keen to use LED strips on a 3600long layout. All just thinking about really but the problem of daylight/ warm white and intensity seem to be issues. I do wonder how many lumens your set up was kicking out as this is the intensity measurement! I will be keen to see if a warm white light would be better for our uses. The reason why I would use these lights is they are slim line, 12Volt and theoretically able to adjust the length and use a miniature plug and socket to join behind the fascia! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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