RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 I understand that these concrete L sections are going to be faced with stone. How is that going to be done, as the L sections are sat almost on the edge of the original wall? Is there going to be a new section up the entire face of the wall? Confused of Norfolk Andy G I now understand that this is not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBSD Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I now understand that this is not the case. I read that with such disappointment CK. I believe this whole stretch should be treated as a national monument and be finished in its original appearance. It's going to look like an eyesore at some point and we sure as heck wouldn't get away with that if we were building on our own property. It should all be in keeping with the local area i believe is the standard line. I can't imagine for a second if the Houses of Parliament needed repairs that it would be finished in grey concrete? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I now understand that this is not the case. I wonder if they could spray-crete it, then scribe some joints in before the mix goes off.... Edited February 1, 2015 by Fat Controller 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 I read that with such disappointment CK. I believe this whole stretch should be treated as a national monument and be finished in its original appearance. It's going to look like an eyesore at some point and we sure as heck wouldn't get away with that if we were building on our own property. It should all be in keeping with the local area i believe is the standard line. I can't imagine for a second if the Houses of Parliament needed repairs that it would be finished in grey concrete? It's 'original appearance' was in many places a wooden viaduct. What goes along the Dawlish - Teignmouth seafront has changed and evolved considerably since the line was built and has, it would seem, used contemporary methods every time a change was made. and in view of the damage the sea has done in the past I do wonder just how long a stone cladding on the front of a concrete wall would last? I think the serious point here is that there is a choice - we can either have the money spent on improving the security of the railway and the sea defences of Dawlish or some of that money can be diverted from improving the sea defences to making what is done look 'old -fashioned' (also known as 'blending it in with previous updating of the defences). Very simple choice really and I suspect rail users living to the west of Dawlish wouldn't even see it as a choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Whatever turns out to be the final wall surface finish there is, or rather was, last time I looked, loads of white dumpy bags full of natural stone at Dawlish Warren lined up on the ramp that leads to the road/rail access point just by the footbridge. Mind you I have not been down the Warren compound for several weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I read that with such disappointment CK. I believe this whole stretch should be treated as a national monument and be finished in its original appearance. It's going to look like an eyesore at some point and we sure as heck wouldn't get away with that if we were building on our own property. It should all be in keeping with the local area i believe is the standard line. I can't imagine for a second if the Houses of Parliament needed repairs that it would be finished in grey concrete? I agree with what you say (up to a point) but it is nothing more than a (very nice) wall to support the railway line and protect the buildings behind it. That sounds a lot harsher than it is meant to (and I apologise for that) but to 'face' the wall properly would probably have needed to be done at the casting stage so the stone was an integral part of the concrete L sections and not just an add on that the sea will be able to knock off at will. To do that would have increased the costs considerably and unfortunately there simply isnt the money available no matter how nice it would have been. Of course the other way of looking at it is that people will be able to see where the wall was repaired (PS dont look the other side of the railway though, that certainly isnt repaired to the latest spec, although it is no doubt very strong)! Edited February 1, 2015 by royaloak 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Plumtree Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Activity on the tracks tonight looks on DB cam as if the concrete delivery pipe is being worked on across the track Looking on the DB camera, I would suggest a second pipe has been run under both tracks, complementing the first pipe carrying concrete.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Looking on the DB camera, I would suggest a second pipe has been run under both tracks, complementing the first pipe carrying concrete.. Yes, there is definately 2 pipes under the track but still only one up the wall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) is the 2nd one there as a back up if the 1st get blocked ?? Edited February 1, 2015 by mozzer models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 is the 2nd one there as a back up if the 1st get blocked ?? Probably to increase the flow of concrete, but I'll see if I can find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Mon 2nd Feb 2015 since 16.40 yesterday JUB1, Seariser 4 has been moved further north From Dawlish Beach Cam with their permission EDIT;- and from NWR webcam at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/storm-damage/dawlish/ JUB 1 with a load of 'L' units arrived overnight So it just might be that they are now going to continue placing 'L' units from the north end been snowing a bit in Devon Edited February 2, 2015 by Granitechops 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 So maybe 2 concrete delivery pipes will enable one to deliver concrete to the newly placed 'L' units at the north end & the other to deliver concrete to whatever they are going to be adding on top of those already in place at the south end must have a see if they have brought a 2nd pump into place up on the main road 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 is the 2nd one there as a back up if the 1st get blocked ?? THEORY it shouldn't get blocked as soon as last concrete gets into pipeline at the roadside pumper, a foam ball is inserted into the pipe & forced under pressure to clear the pipe of any concrete But, but if there is an engine or pump failure then unless there is emergency rescue plan concrete will set in the pipe when I was a lorry driver in the 60s a mate was self employed under Ready Mix SW in a isolated rural location, engine failure, resulted in his mixer barrel setting before a rescue could be affected ( no mobile phones in those days) had to have a new barrel, which even then wern't cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJD Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 when I was a lorry driver in the 60s a mate was self employed under Ready Mix SW in a isolated rural location, engine failure, resulted in his mixer barrel setting before a rescue could be affected ( no mobile phones in those days) had to have a new barrel, which even then wern't cheap Didn't he have the obligatory bag of sugar to hand for just such a problem? I suppose he would still have needed to turn the barrel. :-( Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Looks like at least 8 'L' units put in place today at north end of operations I have no pics as I was in Exeter, but there are two short vids on DB facebook page https://www.facebook.com/dawlishbeach posted by Mick Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Loads of activity already this morning, or should that be, ongoing activity 'L' units being craned onto wall at far end Plant/skip/etc being craned onto wall by hydraulic crane in foreground Tug, Boojum Bay? departing for Teignmouth with empty pontoon From DB webcam Edited February 3, 2015 by Granitechops 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 11.22 all 'L' units gone of deck of Seariser 4 / JUB 1 and now in place at north end of new barricade 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) After looking at this afternoons photos, I would estimate that there are now 65-70 units in place on the wall About 37 from far end to that black marker at top & then about 30 from there to this end that was at 3.30 this afternoon was briefly on Rockstone bridge, seen here in the back ground of this shot taken from Dawlish Viaduct when some gear was being carried down the steps & along the wall these are the fixings for the 'L' units the fixing nuts are about 2.5 - 3 inches across the flats the square plates are about 1 inch ( 25mm ) thick & about 9 x 9 ins square looks like a very coarse thread these 2 were carrying a double load Edited February 3, 2015 by Granitechops 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 There looks to be still only ONE concrete delivery pipe down the back wall even though there are 2 pipes UNDER the railway Passing through the traffic light up on the main road it looked as if there are now 2 concrete pumps behind the padded screens sat the side of the road with both receiving hoppers facing each other so any mixer lorry can unload into either from one spot 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcriout Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I now understand that this is not the case.Pity the glasfibre stone plates could not of been used 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted February 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2015 There was a rather well-considered piece about Dawlish in the Independant 'i' newspaper http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/dawlish-is-back-on-track-the-calm-after-the-storm-10021603.html?origin=internalSearch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2015 After looking at this afternoons photos, I would estimate that there are now 65-70 units in place on the wall In fact it was 58 out of 154 as of lunch time today. Heavy seas will prevent movement of more 'L' sections from Teignmouth to the JUBs for a day or so now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 'Unprecedented' storm damage to South West cliffs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-31137401 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 This on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31113368 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2015 This on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31113368 Interesting, but it's already being discussed on a separate thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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