RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 BBC website now has a 'Report to MPs on Dawlish alternatives' linking to a Network Rail document showing 5 possible options and including some good photos of the work. The C1-C3 Dawlish Avoiding routes routes would be very close to where I live...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks Rich. BBC journalism at its best here... "Rail bosses are considering five route options after the South West link was destroyed by storms." A plane is usually destroyed if it flies into a mountain. The railway line at Dawlish was damaged and as Network Rail is demonstrating, repairs are not exactly impossible... Edited February 26, 2014 by Pete_S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) BBC website now has a 'Report to MPs on Dawlish alternatives'........ More drivel and posturing. What do these political people expect regarding Dawlish...a magic wand.... ..all this negativity ..... wailing on about the *****ing obvious Edited February 26, 2014 by Re6/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 At least there's no shortage of water to dilute the PVA, I'll get worried when I see a 45 gallon drum of fairy liquid, to act as the wetting agent, appear on the webcam. Jamie At least if any spilt the sea would soon froth it up and the whole site and Dawlish would get an early spring clean. They really need a few of these but in a larger size!! http://www.wickes.co.uk/waterproof-pva-building-adhesive-1l/invt/156521/?source=123_74&tmcampid=104&tmad=c&tmplaceref=PPC_ggl_0006635&tmcustom=mkwid|W5fPyZGt_dc|pcrid|7531858372|match||plid|&gclid=CJ2ljbyG6rwCFVKWtAodYCkA5A may be a small rail tanker would be enough then ? oh forget that as local rail services are cancelled for some strange reason any way least cam site shot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 BBC website now has a 'Report to MPs on Dawlish alternatives' linking to a Network Rail document showing 5 possible options and including some good photos of the work. The C1-C3 Dawlish Avoiding routes routes would be very close to where I live...! Hi Rich You beat me to it. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 The NR document is perfect for the intended audience. Short, punchy text, with graphics and pics. NR continues to shine in all the gloom. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 I've just seen what I thought was an excellent segmewnt on BBC News. It showed not only the big breach but showed the work on the parapet wall on the other sections. I thought it was balanced and supportive of the good work of the engineers. It was also interesting to see that the concete pouring is now on only about half the area. The footpath now appears to be up to it's full height and they were busy pouring on the next lift which is just the width of the trackbed. Hopefully this means that each lft now will be a lot quicker. All in all a good report. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Sounds like a very sensible idea from someone at NR. They know that the politicians and press are going to be asking questions about an alternative route, so finding out the condition of routes that have previously been used to enable them to accurately answer these questions is appropriate. Yes - I think it's basically so NR will know the definitive answer to future Q's which are bound to be asked. Yes - it'll cost this No - it'll cost that and that's just too much money. etc, etc Just as an aside, NR do have a significant examination & maintenance responsibility of structures on closed lines. Edit: Shite gramma Edited February 26, 2014 by Southernman46 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 According to the Spotlight news CK and his talented crew are progressing the work,well and that may well mean that the service is up and running 2 days early. Very well done chaps, all 300 odd of you. One item that I was unaware of is that there were a number minor slips at the Teignmouth end of the seawall in the vicinity of last year's slips. SS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 At least there's no shortage of water to dilute the PVA, I'll get worried when I see a 45 gallon drum of fairy liquid, to act as the wetting agent, appear on the webcam. Jamie It's the size of the pipette I'd be even more worried about... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Watched a report on BBC1 tonight extremely good one interviews with NR conducted fairly and interesting news on the project ,liked the report on the web think that Heathfield could provide the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff mcghie Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Just as an aside, NR do have a significant examination & maintenance responsibility of structures on closed lines. I thought most of the closed lines were left with BRB upon privatisation? Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 It's the size of the pipette I'd be even more worried about... As an O gauge modeller who uses a fairy liquid bottle it's what they're going to use to hold the bottle up and squeeze it that bothers me. However that big red spider thing could possibly pump dilute wetted PVA as well as it does concrete. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 A few pics here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26356917 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks Rich. BBC journalism at its best here... "Rail bosses are considering five route options after the South West link was destroyed by storms." A plane is usually destroyed if it flies into a mountain. The railway line at Dawlish was damaged and as Network Rail is demonstrating, repairs are not exactly impossible... Not the best choice of words; broken would have been rather more appropriate. However, the damage to the railway line at Dawlish clearly resulted from the destruction of a section of the wall that supported it. If one of the options put forward by Network Rail came to fruition, it would seem certain that any of the short inland "bypasses" would seal the fate of the coastal route (as we know it) in a way that a restored secondary route across Dartmoor, which would only carry the main Plymouth and Cornwall traffic in times of trouble, probably wouldn't. It will be very interesting, in due course, to see how the projected costs of the various alternatives compare with the much-trumpeted estimate of £500m -700m for the ex-LSWR route. John Edited February 26, 2014 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 A few pics here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26356917 Interesting that the majority of pictures are of the Teignmouth to Parsons Tunnel section.(Good pictures but bad news room editing) Presumably the wire and post fencing which is shown in a couple of the pictures (H & S) will disappear once the work has finished ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) If one of the options put forward by Network Rail came to fruition, it would seem certain that any of the short inland "bypasses" would seal the fate of the coastal route (as we know it) in a way that a restored secondary route across Dartmoor, which would only carry the main Plymouth and Cornwall traffic in times of trouble, probably wouldn't. It will be very interesting, in due course, to see how the projected costs of the various alternatives compare with the much-trumpeted estimate of £700m for the ex-LSWR route. John I know we should avoid frothing over the various routes - but....! Plymouth Chamber of Commerce have been 'agitating' for a 3 hour London-Plymouth journey time. The Dawlish inland routes would seem to be the only option(s) able to deliver this as they would most likely built for higher running speed than the coastal route. They would also enable (hopefully) electrification in some dim & distant future. I'm unsure what the phrase in that NR document 'current level of trains via Dawlish route could be maintained' implies - keeping the route for local traffic perhaps? Reduced traffic might allow 'strategic singling' to give a wider buffer zone between the track & sea wall. EDIT - I don't think the Exeter - Heathfield (Teign Valley) route would be viable as a replacement main line - lots of development at the Exeter end, original line single & obscured by A38 in places. It would effectively be a completely new line, not re-using the original. It's interesting that all the Dawlish inland routes look (on the NR map) like they also bypass the Teign estuary riverside, going slightly inland to Newton Abbot. I remember some discussion earlier about the 1930s GWR proposal coming in via what is now the racecourse - but there's been a lot of development around Kingsteignton. I've been trying to overlay the NR map onto an OS map (to see how close the proposals actually get to where we live), but the NR map seems to be copied from a rail atlas which doesn't follow the actual geographical layout very well! If I get Exeter, Dawlish & Teignmouth superimposed, Starcross on the NR map seems to be half way across the Exe estuary...! Edited February 26, 2014 by Ramblin Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 I noticed in some of the recent pictures that some of the houses at Dawlish appear to have lost some rendering and in one case an entire window frame leaving the interior open to the elements. I hope this has been dealt with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 I noticed in some of the recent pictures that some of the houses at Dawlish appear to have lost some rendering and in one case an entire window frame leaving the interior open to the elements. I hope this has been dealt with. No, not at all, I think you're referring to that house on Riviera Terrace. I was talking to someone who lives close by, and apparantly the insurance company of that poor family haven't even sent an assessor down yet, some 3 weeks after it happened... They also tried to get their car insurance to fund a hire car, whilst theirs was trapped on the wrong side of the hole, but that insurer apparently declined, on the grounds that their car wasn't actually damaged... I've been trying to overlay the NR map onto an OS map (to see how close the proposals actually get to where we live), but the NR map seems to be copied from a rail atlas which doesn't follow the actual geographical layout very well! If I get Exeter, Dawlish & Teignmouth superimposed, Starcross on the NR map seems to be half way across the Exe estuary...! Rich - the best I can recommend is to try overlaying the map at the back of the Peter Kay 'Exeter to Newton Abbot - a Railway History' book over an O/S map... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 Tim (CK) - afraid I haven't seen that book; it was idle curiosity that got me started on the online maps.. It's very much "blue (grey?) sky thinking" at the moment anyway. I can't imagine what that poor family in the damaged house are going through - many more affected too, but that does seem churlishly indifferent on the insurers part... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 The insurance industry does not often cover itself in glory. Three years after the Christchurch NZ earthquake less than 10% of claims have been settled, but it was a very large event, and total replacement or standard full cover policies do have a lot of 'issues' when land and infrastructure is not necessarily ok. And some people WILL argue... I'm rather glad I left after the event and was able to sell my slightly-damaged house down there. But it's way off-thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 Okey dokey, here are some photos from my site visit today. I had planned to visit site today for some time, and coincidentally, it was the media visit day as well, so as it turned out, the colleague I was planning to visit was participating in the media event, so I just tagged along too... (actually, it was rather enjoyable). First of all, some images of the large compound now established in most of the big car park at Dawlish Warren - this reflects just how serious and big a project this is: How kind - they managed to spare me a complete Portacabin for myself!! The visiting media group were first conveyed to the Teignmouth end, and from there, we walked along the wall to Smugglers Cove, stopping many times for photos, briefings and filming opportunities. It was a superb day for it: Some of the group: Damage to the walkway, and the start of repairs, near Teignmouth: One of the many minor landslips (there are some larger ones, too), that need to be dealt with, this one is near Sprey Point: Serious damage to one of the main ramps at Sprey Point: Media taking an interest in said serious damage: View looking back towards Teignmouth from Sprey Point: Looking eastwards towards Smugglers Cove and Parsons Tunnel: More damage to the walkway: Some of the now missing parapet wall, that must be replaced before the line can reopen: Parsons Tunnel in the distance: More walkway and/or parapet damage (we are now part-way between Sprey Point and Smugglers): The BBC 'Spotlight' camerman and reporter in action: Cross-section of damaged parapet wall: More photos in next post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) BBC website now has a 'Report to MPs on Dawlish alternatives' linking to a Network Rail document showing 5 possible options and including some good photos of the work. The C1-C3 Dawlish Avoiding routes routes would be very close to where I live...! Thanks for the NR document - quite interesting and good to see some of the old favourites are being tackled (again in a couple of cases). C1 and C2 are the original and amended GWR routes, C3 would seem to be completely new - time will tell what will emerge. Edit - correction the Dawlish Warren (now C3) route was one considered by the GWR in the 1930s. Edited February 27, 2014 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Tim (CK) - afraid I haven't seen that book; it was idle curiosity that got me started on the online maps.. It's very much "blue (grey?) sky thinking" at the moment anyway. I can't imagine what that poor family in the damaged house are going through - many more affected too, but that does seem churlishly indifferent on the insurers part... The source mentioned by the Cap'n is definitely the one to find (local library?) as C1 & C2 seem to be pretty near to the original proposals as mentioned above. Edit to add details - Exeter - Newton Abbot A railway History by Peter Kay, published by Platform 5 in 1993 Edited February 26, 2014 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2014 OK, more photos. More damage to parapet wall (just to underline exactly how much of this kind of damage there is): Workers in safety harnesses: Looking back towards Teignmouth: Drilling vertical holes in the base of the parapet wall: Steel pins are anchored in these holes, and these in turn will secure the new portions of parapet wall, which will be made from reinforced concrete, with a stone masonry pattern moulded on the walkway-side: One of the steel reinforcement sections for a piece of new parapet wall, being fabricated, in a spare bit of space next to the up line. It is on it's side, and will be turned over to vertical and then attached to the vertical steel pins, then concrete will be poured to form the new section of parapet wall: Site of one of the bigger landslips, near Smugglers: Some vegetation management was also being done here: Another landslip: Pre-cast reinforced concrete units for parapet wall repairs: Parsons Tunnel: Smugglers Cove - notice all the debris washed up: And a sea of orange walks up Smugglers Lane to pick up the transport onwards to Dawlish: More photos in next post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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