Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[DaveF]

In J1279 the centre car appears to be different from the rest of the unit. Is it just livery or is it a loco-hauled coach inserted? I know the GWR and WR did this with their own diesel railcars but it seems rather unlikely here.

 

I think kit's just a very dirty one still in green.

 

David

[keefer]

The green one is a buffet car, correct vehicle for the original 6-car formation.

At the time of the pic, different liveries in the same unit were quite common - although the cl.124s went straight from green to blue/grey, none were plain blue

[DaveF]

We'll spend a little while watching trains at Brinklow on the WCML by the canal this evening.  The weather is not brilliant while we are there, but what do you expect in January and March.

 

 

Brinklow Class 81 Glasgow to Euston Jan 69 J1522

 

 

Brinklow (Cathiron footbridge) Class 86 down ex pass Jan 71 J2497

probably the 11.05 Euston - Barrow-in-Furness

 

Brinklow Class 86 Glasgow to Euston March 76 J5087

 

 

Brinklow Class 86 Manchester to Euston March 76 J5092

 

 

Brinklow 85021 down freightliner Ford containers March 76 J5093

 

 

David

Edited December 30, 2014 by DaveF

[Leander]

1P26 is most probably the 11.05 Euston - Barrow-in-Furness.

[DaveF]

1P26 is most probably the 11.05 Euston - Barrow-in-Furness.

Leander,

 

Thanks very much for this, I've added it to the caption.

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Very much enjoying seeing the photo's of Brinklow tonight. In the second one, J2497, with a class 86 on a down express passenger, in January, 1971, I have noticed what looks like another photographer, and wonder whether it might be yourself. In the first photo', in the snow, with a class 81, in January, 1969, the photo' was taken about the time that the last episode of The Avengers - ''Bizarre'' -  was filmed near to the WCML.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[DaveF]

Hi, Dave. Very much enjoying seeing the photo's of Brinklow tonight. In the second one, J2497, with a class 86 on a down express passenger, in January, 1971, I have noticed what looks like another photographer, and wonder whether it might be yourself. In the first photo', in the snow, with a class 81, in January, 1969, the photo' was taken about the time that the last episode of The Avengers - ''Bizarre'' -  was filmed near to the WCML.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

 

 

The figure in the second photo is me, this is my photo of the same train.  Judging by the lack of quality I must have been having an off day....

 

Brinklow Class 86 down ex pass Jan 71 C458

Although captioned as Brinklow   the location is really Cathiron footbridge, a short distance away.

 

David

Edited December 30, 2014 by DaveF

[New Haven Neil]

Some more great shots this last couple of days - reminds me how much I want a Trans-Pennine unit too!

[DaveF]

A Happy New Year to everyone.

 

A visit to Pilmoor this evening with four photos of trains taken during 1967.

 

The fifth image is a set of signals without any track near them.

 

 

Pilmoor Class 47 D1577 down freight Feb 67 J768

 

 

Pilmoor Class 55 D9021 Argyll and Sutherland Highlander Edinburgh to Kings X March 67 J786

 

 

Pilmoor Class 111 (centre car unidentified type) York to Newcastle March 67 J789

Note that each coach carries a different style of lining

 

 

Pilmoor A4 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley special Doncaster to Edinburgh, about to cross to up fast to work wrong line past site of  derailment August 67 J1056

The derailment was the accident in which DP2 was severely damaged and then withdrawn.

 

 

Pilmoor Sight test signals on old spur from Boroughbridge line May 68 J1321

 

 

David

[russ p]

The signals with no track were an eye testing station, where drivers who failed their eyetest were sent for a practical test.

The embankment they were situated on was a link from the Pillmoor - Knaresborough line to the Pillmoor- Malton line this was to open up a second route from the west to Scarborough. The connection was never used and it is not definitely known if track was ever laid on it.

Great pictures again and all the best for the new year

[trisonic]

That’s a great set of vintage photos, David.

Happy New Year to you too and thanks for taking the time to post all the marvelous shots!

 

Best, Pete.

[leopardml2341]

Hi Dave,

 

Centre car of DMU looks like a BRCW Class 104 TCL to me - is the number visible on the original slide / hi res scan?

 

Rgds,

[mullie]

Happy new year Dave and thanks for a great thread.

[newbryford]

 

 

 

Pilmoor Sight test signals on old spur from Boroughbridge line May 68 J1321.jpg

Pilmoor Sight test signals on old spur from Boroughbridge line May 68 J1321

 

 

 

Signals? What signals?

 

 

Cheers,

Mick

[DaveF]

Hi Dave,

 

Centre car of DMU looks like a BRCW Class 104 TCL to me - is the number visible on the original slide / hi res scan?

 

Rgds,

 

 

I've had a look and it's not visible.

 

David

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi Dave,

 

Centre car of DMU looks like a BRCW Class 104 TCL to me - is the number visible on the original slide / hi res scan?

 

Rgds,

I agree with Andy, it is a BRCW center car. The window spacing, and the ventilators give the game away. Limby 101 power cars and a Hornby 110 center car. Job done.  

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Great photo's of Pilmoor tonight. That mixed formation dmu was a quite common thing on the NER of BR. On the Hull - Market Weighton - York service, there often used to be to 4-car sets, with class 111 driving cars, and class 104 trailers.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

A Happy New Year,

 

Market65.

[cctransuk]

Limby 101 power cars ...

 

Surely not - with that (unusual) arrangement of four character headcode and destination blind?

 

I'm no expert on DMUs, but the leading car is far from being the 'bog standard' M-C style.

 

No doubt one of our number who understands these things will quote chapter and verse.

 

I just wish the TOPS class numbers weren't invariably quoted - especially when they post-date many of the images referred to.

 

I'd understand if the number series from the contemporary ABC Combined Volume was quoted instead !!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood (who lost interest in the contemporary scene when they started painting things blue).

Edited December 31, 2014 by cctransuk

[hmrspaul]

Perhaps the block train of Vanwides behind D1577 were Rowntrees chocolate?

 

Great photos on here, thanks for all of the postings and Happy New Year

 

Paul Bartlett

[Market65]

Surely not - with that (unusual) arrangement of four character headcode and destination blind?

 

I'm no expert on DMUs, but the leading car is far from being the 'bog standard' M-C style.

 

No doubt one of our number who understands these things will quote chapter and verse.

 

I just wish the TOPS class numbers weren't invariably quoted - especially when they post-date many of the images referred to.

 

I'd understand if the number series from the contemporary ABC Combined Volume was quoted instead !!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood (who lost interest in the contemporary scene when they started painting things blue).

Hi, cctransuk. Simply, the class 111's were fitted with 238HP Rolls-Royce engines, as opposed to the class 101's, which had either Leyland or AEC 150 HP engines. Not all of the class 111's had the four-character headcode boxes above the cab windows either. The bigger radiators of the Rolls-Royce cars was always a give-away as to which engines were actually fitted.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[DaveF]

Surely not - with that (unusual) arrangement of four character headcode and destination blind?

 

I'm no expert on DMUs, but the leading car is far from being the 'bog standard' M-C style.

 

No doubt one of our number who understands these things will quote chapter and verse.

 

I just wish the TOPS class numbers weren't invariably quoted - especially when they post-date many of the images referred to.

 

I'd understand if the number series from the contemporary ABC Combined Volume was quoted instead !!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood (who lost interest in the contemporary scene when they started painting things blue).

 

John,

 

The leading coach of the dmu set is a Class 111 DMBS (Driving Motor Brake Second), or Metro Cammell built with Rolls Royce engines which were more powerful than the standard AEC or Leyland engines fitted to other classes including the Metro Cammell 101s.

 

It would be in the number series 50134 - 50137, 50280 - 50292, 51541 - 51550.  This one should be in the number range 51541 to 51550 which had the four character headcode , along with DMCL 51551 to 51560.

 

The reason I usually quote the TOPS code is that it is a lot shorter to type than using a description of the manufacturer, engine used and so on.  On some of the more lengthy captions I have run into problems with the length of file name allowed in Windows, as the RMWeb and flickr files are stored on my PC/back up hard drives fully captioned.  This is another reason for using the TOPS codes.

 

I can understand why a number of people would prefer the description, but it can always be looked up  - I generally use Brian Morrison's  "British Rail DMUs and Diesel Railcars - Origins and first generation stock" Ian Allan, ISBN 0 7110 2629 7.  Or you can use Google - but I still like paper copies and images on my desk to refer to when I am working on my photos.

 

I have to admit I frequently have to look up the TOPS codes to write captions.

 

 

Edit - Market 65 has explained the class before I got this written!

David

Edited December 31, 2014 by DaveF

[cctransuk]

Hi, cctransuk. Simply, the class 111's were fitted with 238HP Rolls-Royce engines, as opposed to the class 101's, which had either Leyland or AEC 150 HP engines. Not all of the class 111's had the four-character headcode boxes above the cab windows either. The bigger radiators of the Rolls-Royce cars was always a give-away as to which engines were actually fitted.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

 

Market65,

 

Thanks for that - I was certain that it wasn't a "Limby 101", though I'm still not clear which number series the "111"'s were.

 

Checking my 1961 Combined Volume, the following M-C power cars seemed to have had RR engines :-

 

M50136, E50270-92, E50745-7.

 

Presumably the leading car would have been from one of the latter two groups?

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

[cctransuk]

It would be in the number series 50134 - 50137, 50280 - 50292, 51541 - 51550.  This one should be in the number range 51541 to 51550 which had the four character headcode , along with DMCL 51551 to 51560.

 

Ah - that will teach me not to trust the old ABC - especially when I have the authoritive references upstairs !!

 

The only M-C power cars listed in the 1961 ABC as having RR engines are those that I quoted above - all the rest are stated to have BUT (AEC) engines.

 

Regaqrds,

John.

[DaveF]

Market65,

 

Thanks for that - I was certain that it wasn't a "Limby 101", though I'm still not clear which number series the "111"'s were.

 

Checking my 1961 Combined Volume, the following M-C power cars seemed to have had RR engines :-

 

M50136, E50270-92, E50745-7.

 

Presumably the leading car would have been from one of the latter two groups?

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

 

 

Just to complicate things a few of the 111s were later transferred to Class 101 after being re-engined with AEC(BUT) engines, specifically 50290 - 50292 and 50745 - 50747.

 

In 1982-5 one engine was removed from 36 of the power cars which were then renumbered, randomly, to the series 78706 to 78724 (classed as Driving half motor composite) and 78956 to 78974 (classed as Driving half motor brake standard)

 

Renumbering of those still in the original number series took place in 1980/1 from 50xxx to 53xxx and 56xxx to 54xxx(these latter were the intermediate cars).

David

Edited December 31, 2014 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi. Good to see such interest in these units! Interesting to think that only one trailer buffet car survives from the class 111 sets.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.