RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2017 Current view of 31109 https://goo.gl/maps/vaPRGQEYJtk Sun position in mid August 1974 - scroll the date / time to see it's behaviour http://www.suncalc.net/#/52.7965,-0.5263,14/1974.08.15/12:00 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 2, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) Today we have some more ECML photos, this time on the Northumberland coast at Alnmouth. The first one shows the signal box with an HST on the viaduct over the River Aln to the north of the station. Alnmouth Class 254 HST up on viaduct Nov 81 C5590. Alnmouth Class 40 down ICI tanks Haverton Hill to Grangemouth Aug 82 C5810 Alnmouth Class 254 HST up Aug 82 C5811 This shows the original NER building on the up platform. Alnmouth Class 101 Newcastle to Alnmouth Aug 82 C5833 This is taken looking across the harbour/river at Alnmouth to the railway. Alnmouth 16th June 84 C6524 These were the temporary station buildings, since replaced by a brick built structure. David Edited August 2, 2017 by DaveF 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hi, Dave. I like the Alnmouth photos. They bring back happy memories of a trip to Holy Island back in June, 1973. We went by rail as far as Alnmouth, then bus to Holy Island. The HST in C5811 makes a fine sight in its original condition and livery. But you can see why the deflectors were needed with less exhaust going down onto the cab front. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) As for J3999, which I also wonder as to whether it was from Skegness, I think it was taken in the late morning as the sun is just on the far side of the line which at Swayfield runs roughly NNW to SSE so the sun crosses the line before noon. A possibility is the summer months formation of 1A11 the 08:25SO Newcastle-KX, which matches closely except for the FK at the front. Very unusual to have 31-haulage though, I would have thought. Edited August 2, 2017 by mark54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Definitely a 31/1. The multi working jumpers are 31/1 configuration. The 31/0's were completely different. I think the loco is 31109, as it was air brake fitted and still retained the bodyside steps until 1976 at least, so goes someway to fitting the bill. Paul J. Cheers Paul. I haven't got great resolution and i had tried to rationalise how the blue stars could look like that given the apparent air brakes. Many thanks Guy (on a dodgy internet connection in South West France!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 3, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) A visit to the coast of souith east Scotland today with some photos of trains around Burnmouth on the ECML in May and August 1974. Burnmouth Class 55 up May 74 J3702 Burnmouth Class 55 up May 74 J3703 10.45 Aberdeen to Kings X "The Aberdonian" Burnmouth Class 55 55007 down 10.00 Kings X to Edinburgh "The Flying Scotsman" May 74 J3704 urnmouth Class 40 up freightliner Aug 74 J3995 probably 40145 Edinburgh FLT to Cardiff FLT Burnmouth Class 40 up freightliner Aug 74 J3996 Thanks again to mark54 for extra information - which I have added to the catalogue. David Edited August 3, 2017 by DaveF 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) First bags at guess the Deltics: J3702 = 55019 J3703 = 55016 Edited August 3, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 while we're in that area, did you or your dad ever go down to Eyemouth? me & Shez are thinking of building a layout of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2017 Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photo's of Burnmouth in 1974. The Deltic hauled expresses look superb, and the class 40 hauled Freightliner makes a sight for sore eyes. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 First bags at guess the Deltics: J3702 = 55019 J3703 = 55016 I'll bags first go at the 40 on the Freightliner then. 40145 is my suspect. The blue patches and air braked give me a good chance with that one. See these links. https://flic.kr/p/ek8nkK And this one in colour showing the green repaint patch on the body towards No 1 end. https://flic.kr/p/u3UaDc Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'll bags first go at the 40 on the Freightliner then. 40145 is my suspect. The blue patches and air braked give me a good chance with that one. See these links. https://flic.kr/p/ek8nkK And this one in colour showing the green repaint patch on the body towards No 1 end. https://flic.kr/p/u3UaDc Paul J. The headboard brackets are very good clue too................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Love the phot of the green class 40. Fantastic! Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Love the open loads on the Freightliner especially what looks like a beer barrels. Didn't realise they used to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 3, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2017 while we're in that area, did you or your dad ever go down to Eyemouth? me & Shez are thinking of building a layout of it Both of us visited Eyemouth at various times, but the railway was long gone by then. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Love the open loads on the Freightliner especially what looks like a beer barrels. Didn't realise they used to do that. Scottish and Newcastle used to load out of Follingsby and there were times that these trains were raided for the beer and on one occasion a would be thief lost an arm trying this! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2017 A Freightliner train waiting for the calling on signal to enter Danygraig terminal at Swansea lost an aluminium ingot worth several hundred thousand pounds during my time on the railway in the early 70s; the job was in my link but I was not the guard on that occasion. He had no idea; that part of the train was around a the curve from Jersey Marine and out of sight. There was also rumoured to have been a container full of 50p coins, allegedly £2million worth, from the Royal Mint at Llantrisant which went walkabout somewhere in North London off a Cardiff-Stratford liner; somebody's gas meter was topped well up! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Always interests me how these Freightliner trains lack much, if any privately owned containers. Marine and Domestic services were run separately but I don't know when this senseless split ended. Freightliner gave advantageous rates to companies that backloaded -so beer kegs (and in my day Schweppes crates) went out loaded and returned with the empties. Non deposit stopped a lot of that, to the considerable detriment of the environment (although handling empty crates that had been stored for weeks in a pub backyard with the owners dog was not pleasant!). Paul Edited August 3, 2017 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2017 I think that, in the early days when a fair amount of 'traditional' freight handling was still taking place, shippers were happy to hire the containers from Freightliner rather than buy and brand their own, but of course as time went on and container routes became more established, the current much more colourful situation developed. Container shipping was for a while seen as a premium fast service and commanded a premium rate, the exception rather than the norm it has become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I think that, in the early days when a fair amount of 'traditional' freight handling was still taking place, shippers were happy to hire the containers from Freightliner rather than buy and brand their own, but of course as time went on and container routes became more established, the current much more colourful situation developed. Container shipping was for a while seen as a premium fast service and commanded a premium rate, the exception rather than the norm it has become. The boxes in the photos have 'Twistlock' fittings, but are not fully ISO-compatible, as they weren't designed to be stacked five or more high when loaded. Because of that, they wouldn't have been much use for transport by ship, especially on deep-sea runs. Deep-sea container operations from UK ports only really started to become significant from the late 1960s; older readers might remember the series of Dockers' strikes during the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in protest at job losses caused by modern freight handling methods. There were some boxes that were liveried for particular customers, some of these liveries being carried by the early Hornby models. One, I recollect, was lettered 'Scotch Beef for Sainsbury's', others included 'Pickfords'. However, many customers were attracted by the anonymity of the grey and red box, especially for high-value items such as spirits. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1E78 Can't find any reference to this. Not a usual ECML reporting number, so probably an extra. J3703 (assuming 1S17 was taken the same day) would be 1E17 the 10:45 Aberdeen-KX, The Aberdonian. 4V73 was the Edinburgh FLT to Cardiff FLT. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 The boxes in the photos have 'Twistlock' fittings, but are not fully ISO-compatible, as they weren't designed to be stacked five or more high when loaded. Because of that, they wouldn't have been much use for transport by ship, especially on deep-sea runs. Deep-sea container operations from UK ports only really started to become significant from the late 1960s; older readers might remember the series of Dockers' strikes during the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in protest at job losses caused by modern freight handling methods. There were some boxes that were liveried for particular customers, some of these liveries being carried by the early Hornby models. One, I recollect, was lettered 'Scotch Beef for Sainsbury's', others included 'Pickfords'. However, many customers were attracted by the anonymity of the grey and red box, especially for high-value items such as spirits. Pickfords was a nationalised company after the early blacking of private containers. But Dave's photos are much later than all of that argy bargy. The early freightliner official photos show various private owners. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 im confused as to why you rated my question with thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 A Freightliner train waiting for the calling on signal to enter Danygraig terminal at Swansea lost an aluminium ingot worth several hundred thousand pounds during my time on the railway in the early 70s; the job was in my link but I was not the guard on that occasion. He had no idea; that part of the train was around a the curve from Jersey Marine and out of sight. There was also rumoured to have been a container full of 50p coins, allegedly £2million worth, from the Royal Mint at Llantrisant which went walkabout somewhere in North London off a Cardiff-Stratford liner; somebody's gas meter was topped well up! There was, I recollect, a road accident on the old road from Swansea to Carmarthen via Pontardulais, involving a lorry carrying whiskey from Fishguard to Danygraig, sometime in the 1970s. There was a large police and Customs presence, but it turned out that at least some of these were more concerned about liberating a few bottles than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
auld_boot Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 im confused as to why you rated my question with thanks I think it is simply good manners, nothing to be confused over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Pickfords was a nationalised company after the early blacking of private containers. But Dave's photos are much later than all of that argy bargy. The early freightliner official photos show various private owners. Paul Pickfords (and Hay's Wharf) had been owned by the GWR at some point, I believe. They were Nationalised post WW2, and then sold off in 1982- Thatcher's first privatisation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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