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[eastwestdivide]

JVol1196 What’s the first vehicle? Some sort of horse/cattle wagon?

[Mol_PMB]

8 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said:

JVol1196 What’s the first vehicle? Some sort of horse/cattle wagon?

Definitely a horsebox. Many railways had similar designs but the diagonal bracing on the upper doors is a distinctive feature here, also the coach-styled panelling at the ends.

I suspect it is a pre-grouping design as the LNER ones were rather plainer. But I can't immediately identify which company I'm afraid.

 

[Compound2632]

22 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Definitely a horsebox. Many railways had similar designs but the diagonal bracing on the upper doors is a distinctive feature here, also the coach-styled panelling at the ends.

I suspect it is a pre-grouping design as the LNER ones were rather plainer. But I can't immediately identify which company I'm afraid.

 

The three-level panelling with round corners to the top of the upper panels perhaps suggests North British?

Edited April 1 by Compound2632

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a great set of photo’s of Grantham from over the years. C1465, of a Class 47, on a down freightliner train, in January, 1974, is a most atmospheric shot, with the gloomy conditions around the fairly bright lightbulb visible in the fourcharacter headcode box. White paint, from the platform edge can be seen to have dribbled down in a way which might be replicated on some models.

 

The photo’s of Cambridge, in black and white, from around 1947/8, are a superb selection. JVol1425, of B2, 61671, Royal Sovereign, and B2, 61617, Ford Castle, in 1947, is a gem, and taken from a high vantage point which makes things look a bit like a model railway.
 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Mol_PMB]

54 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

The three-level panelling with round corners to the top of the upper panels perhaps suggests North British?

True. It's very similar to this one; perhaps the diagonal bracing on the upper doors was a later design change?

https://rchsimagearchive.org.uk/index.php?album=Railways-Tramroads/LNER-Group/North-British-Railway/Rolling-Stock/Passenger-Train-Vehicles&image=011068E.jpg

[Compound2632]

45 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

perhaps the diagonal bracing on the upper doors was a later design change?

 

Or an addition to cure top door droop? There seems to have been some Scottish design convergence, if one compares these models of Caledonian and Highland horseboxes:

 

 

from @Portchullin Tatty's website: https://highlandmiscellany.com/tag/weathering/;

The "passenger-style" parts follow the characteristics of each company's coaching stock but there's considerable similarity in the horsey section - although a bit of googling shows the prominent outside framing of the top doors to be similar to Great Central horseboxes - my eyes are attuned to the quite different styling on Midland and LNWR horseboxes!

[DaveF]

The WCML around Elvanfoot, between Beattock Summit and Crawford in the days of Class 50s.

 

Many thanks to hexagon for identifying two of the workings (see his post below).  I've added the details to the captions.

 

 

Bodsbury Aug 73 J3342

 

 

Bodsbury Aug 73 J3343

 

 

Elvanfoot Class 50s 445 and 419 down  Aug 73 J3344  1S53 0815 Birmingham to Glasgow Central/Edinburgh 

 

 

Elvanfoot Class 50s 415 and 409 up Aug 73 J3345 1M30 1140 Glasgow Central to Euston 

 

 

Elvanfoot River Clyde bridge 2 Class 50s down Aug 73 J3346

 

David

Edited April 4 by DaveF

[hexagon789]

57 minutes ago, DaveF said:

The WCML around Elvanfoot, between Beattock Summit and Crawford in the days of Class 50s.

 

 

Elvanfoot Aug 73 J3342

 

 

Elvanfoot Aug 73 J3343

 

 

Elvanfoot Class 50s 445 and 419 down  Aug 73 J3344

 

 

Elvanfoot Class 50s 415 and 409 up Aug 73 J3345

 

 

Elvanfoot River Clyde bridge 2 Class 50s down Aug 73 J3346

 

David

From the headcodes - 

 

J3344 1S53 0815 Birmingham to Glasgow Central/Edinburgh 

 

J3345 1M30 1140 Glasgow Central to Euston 

[DaveF]

3 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

From the headcodes - 

 

J3344 1S53 0815 Birmingham to Glasgow Central/Edinburgh 

 

J3345 1M30 1140 Glasgow Central to Euston 

 

 

Many thanks,  I've added the details to the captions.  It is always good to know the details of the workings.

 

David

[DaveF]

Three photos atUlgham Grange crossing is in Northumberland, between Morpeth and Alnmouth.  I've rarely been there as it is very difficult to park.

 

The other two are from Ulgham Lane where I quite often go though it is now more overgrown than when these photos were taken.

 

 

Ulgham Grange crossing Class 37 down l e April 82 C5633

 

 

Ulgham Grange crossing Class 253 43075 down July 83 C6100

 

 

Ulgham Grange crossing 20218 and ano down cement wagons July 83 C6101

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 37107 up coal from Butterewell 30th July 85 C6998

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 143001 Alnmouth to Newcastle 21st June 86 C7586

 

David

[33C]

1 hour ago, DaveF said:

C5633

A lovely photo, plenty of atmosphere. 

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a great selection of photo’s of the WCML around Elvanfoot, in the days of Class 50’s, from August, 1973. J3345, of class 50’s 415 and 409, on the up 1M30, 11.40, Glasgow Central to London Euston, is a beautifully composed photo’, and it can be seen that the roof vents of the Mkll BFK look to be Roevacs, so, if so, it is a Mkllb.

 

The three photo’s Ulgham Grange crossing, and the two at Ulgham Lane crossing are a superb set. C6101, at Ulgham Grange crossing, with 20218 and another one, on a down cement wagons train, in July, 1983, is an excellent photo’, and captures the atmosphere of both the train and the Summers weather perfectly.
 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[corneliuslundie]

C6101. Superpower for just six wagons, perhaps 150 tons.

But very modellable,

Jonathan

Edited April 2 by corneliuslundie

[Chris116]

1 hour ago, corneliuslundie said:

C6101. Superpower for just six wagons, perhaps 150 tons.

But very modellable,

Jonathan

I think you may need to count them again! I make it seven tankers.

[corneliuslundie]

You are right. And I have recently had new glasses. So max 175 tons.

Jonathan

[St Enodoc]

58 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

You are right. And I have recently had new glasses. So max 175 tons.

Jonathan

Depending on type, each wagon could be up to 51 tons gross.

[DaveF]

Northern Germany for a change this morning.  The location is Süderbraup which is on the line from Kiel to Flensburg.  They were taken in August 1992 while driving back to Esbjerg in Denmark to catch the ferry to North Shields.  I'd had a holiday in Switzerland and Germany, including the Harzquerbahn.

 

 

Süderbraup 212 006 12th Aug 92 C17806

 

 

Süderbraup 628 204 12th Aug 92 C17809

 

 

Süderbraup Class 628 204 12th Aug 92 C17810

 

 

Süderbraup 928 204 Jübeck to Flensburg  12th Aug 92 C17813

 

 

Süderbraup 218186 Hamburg to Fredericia (in Denmark)  12th Aug 92 C17814

 

David

[corneliuslundie]

"Depending on type, each wagon could be up to 51 tons gross."

Yes, you are right.

That is my pregrouping mind at work!

I'd better shut up.

Jonathan

[hmrspaul]

On 01/04/2024 at 18:45, Mol_PMB said:

True. It's very similar to this one; perhaps the diagonal bracing on the upper doors was a later design change?

https://rchsimagearchive.org.uk/index.php?album=Railways-Tramroads/LNER-Group/North-British-Railway/Rolling-Stock/Passenger-Train-Vehicles&image=011068E.jpg

 

Cambridge Fowler 4MTT Cambridge to Bletchely c1948 JVol1196

 

Haven't we had this photo before. North British Horse Box https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlivestock/e184a2c87  

 

Paul

 

[DaveF]

1 minute ago, hmrspaul said:

 

Cambridge Fowler 4MTT Cambridge to Bletchely c1948 JVol1196

 

Haven't we had this photo before. North British Horse Box https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlivestock/e184a2c87  

 

Paul

 

 

It is possible becasue I am still restoring the photos which were lost, now and then a back up file I use can contain 2 copies and I do not always notice.

 

David

[Erichill16]

Im getting old, I still think of the liveries in the German pictures as being modern!

[hmrspaul]

On 27/03/2024 at 16:42, DaveF said:

1976 and 1977 at Stenson Junction with photos taken from the bridge by the power station sidings.

 

 

 

 

That is a really good reminder of how mixed freight trains could still be in the mid 1970s. Unloaded Lowmac and a couple of Lowmacs with lorries, scrap in mineral wagons and lots more. 

 

When the CEGB were disposing of the tank wagons they had as an emergency reserve a group of us spent the day at the three power stations in the area https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbmidlands 

This view may show the bridge some of your photos were taken from https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/britaingeneralrail/e6d44ca7

 

Paul

[DaveF]

8 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

 

That is a really good reminder of how mixed freight trains could still be in the mid 1970s. Unloaded Lowmac and a couple of Lowmacs with lorries, scrap in mineral wagons and lots more. 

 

When the CEGB were disposing of the tank wagons they had as an emergency reserve a group of us spent the day at the three power stations in the area https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbmidlands 

This view may show the bridge some of your photos were taken from https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/britaingeneralrail/e6d44ca7

 

Paul

 

Yes, I think that is the bridge.

 

David

[DaveF]

York between 50 and 59 years ago.

 

York Class 55 D9015 09.05 Kings X to Edinburgh Aug 65 J222

 

 

York B1 Aug  66 J587

 

 

York Class 45 D29 Newcatle to Cardiff? Oct 66 J670

 

 

York A3 4472 Flying Scotsman up light engine Oct 66 J673

 

 

York Class 45 31 St Pancras to Scarborough special and Class 45 Newcastle to Cardiff? May 74 J3687

 

 

David

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a great set of photo’s from Northern Germany, at Süderbraup, on the 12th August, 1992. The first photo’ of 212 006 is a splendid shot of the locomotive against the large building in the background.

 

That is a superb selection of photo’s from York. What an atmospheric shot J587 is of a B1, in August, 1966. I can just see that the next to last number is a 2. There are no electric lights, so it may be a lower numbered engine, so, on looking at the BR Database, it looks to be 61021, 22, 29, or 61123. No later ones since they had the electric lights. I hope that may be of some help.
 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.