Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Ramrig]

On 27/03/2024 at 16:42, DaveF said:

1976 and 1977 at Stenson Junction with photos taken from the bridge by the power station sidings.

 

 

Stenson Junction Class 47 47343 down freight Aug 76 J5434

 

 

Stenson Junction Class 20s 20070 and ano down coal Aug 76 J5435

 

 

Stenson Junction Class 20s 20070 and ano on coal train view west Aug 76 J5437

 

 

Stenson Junction Class 45 Swansea to Leeds Jan 77 J5606

 

 

Stenson Junction Class 114 Crewe to Lincoln Jan 77 J5607

 

David

The views around Stenson Junction have changed considerably since 1976. The power  station and coal sidings have long since closed and disappeared. The only things still standing from Willington PS are the cooling towers, due supposedly to Peregrines nesting. 

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a great selection of photo’s of Switzerland at Pfäffikon, in 1988, and 1990. C15003, of Ae4/7, 11022, on a parcels train, on the 9th August, 1990, being a particularly superb shot of the locomotive.

 

The mixed bag of photo’s, all beginning with W, are a superb set. The last photo’ at Wellingborough, of 45106, on a down express, on the 9th August, 1977, is a well composed photo’ of the Peak as it leans to the left in the station on the canted track.
 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[35A]

Evening, David. J4506 can't be 25151, as that was the former D7501, built with cantrail grilles and a full central cab window. It would have to be from the batches 25026-082 (built with connecting doors and horns mounted either side of the headcode panel) or 25218-247 (built at Darlington, to the earlier design).

[Chris Turnbull]

9 hours ago, caradoc said:

C8097; The station I think is just Loch Awe

 

Yes, I think you are right.  Here's a later photo of it on 8th December 2017 taken whilst my wife and I were on a Turkey and Tinsel holiday with Lochs and Glens at their Loch Awe Hotel, just above the station.

 

 

Chris Turnbull

[DaveF]

The Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway at Haverthwaite with photos from 1973 and 1975.

 

 

Haverthwaite Fowler 2 Fluff Feb 73 C1194

 

 

Haverthwaite Class 03 ex D2117 Feb 73 C1196

 

 

Haverthwaite Fairburn 4MTT 2073 Aug 75 J4610

 

 

Haverthwaite Fairburn 4MTT as CR 2085 Aug 75 J4618

 

 

Haverthwaite Fairburn 4MTT as CR 2085 Aug 75 J4620

 

David

[corneliuslundie]

Interesting to see D2117. I assume that this was at the time when BR was objecting to the preserved railways using BR livery. There was at least one steam loco also in L&H livery, I seem to remember, presumably a BR standard tank, though it was a very long time ago and all I can remember is being disappointed.

Jonathan

[DaveF]

8 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

Interesting to see D2117. I assume that this was at the time when BR was objecting to the preserved railways using BR livery. There was at least one steam loco also in L&H livery, I seem to remember, presumably a BR standard tank, though it was a very long time ago and all I can remember is being disappointed.

Jonathan

 

I think by 1973 the opposition had largely been dropped by BR but I suspect that locos would only be repainted when needed.  I remember that in 1972 Bill McAlpine's preserved 03. D2381 was in BR livery when it was at Market Overton.

 

David

Edited March 31 by DaveF

[John Besley]

2 hours ago, DaveF said:

 

I think by 1973 the opposition had largely been dropped by BR but I suspect that locos would only be repainted when needed.  I remember that in 1972 Bill McAlpine's preserved 03. D2381 was in BR livery when it was at Market Overton.

 

David

 

By which time BR was very much corporate blue 

[MidlandRed]

4 hours ago, DaveF said:

 

I think by 1973 the opposition had largely been dropped by BR but I suspect that locos would only be repainted when needed.  I remember that in 1972 Bill McAlpine's preserved 03. D2381 was in BR livery when it was at Market Overton.

 

David

Are we sure there was any directive? I certainly don’t recall it being reported or discussed in the railway press at the time and have only come across the suggestion more recently (basically on RMWeb). Only certain railways seemed to invent their own liveries (KWVR and L and HR being notable examples). SVR, for instance had its locos (eg 46443 and 48773) in BR livery - I don’t think they were unique, although as with all railway (and bus) preservation there was a tendency to paint stock in as built condition, which, in many cases for locos meant grouping or pre grouping. 

Edited March 31 by MidlandRed

[corneliuslundie]

I was certainly told at the time that the LHR livery was because of BR opposition. Perhaps it was local rather than national. Certainly, as stated, the SVR had locos and carriages in BR livery. But of course my informant may have been wrong.

Jonathan

[MidlandRed]

7 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

I was certainly told at the time that the LHR livery was because of BR opposition. Perhaps it was local rather than national. Certainly, as stated, the SVR had locos and carriages in BR livery. But of course my informant may have been wrong.

Jonathan

Did KWVR and LHR run into BR stations at the time - SVR extended to Kidderminster much later? Maybe that was why but equally, the railways may have taken the view they’d use historic liveries they liked or made up their own. The Dart Valley at that time, IIRC had everything in GW livery (including 1638) and locos such as 6697, 4555, 7029, 6000 and 4079 ran in GW livery in service on the main line in the mid 60s.  I do recall feeling somewhat miffed when I visited KWVR on a loco society shed bash trip around Yorkshire in 1969/70 that even the railbuses were in made up liveries - as I’d never seen them in BR days it was disappointing at the time, although good to see them preserved - 46441 on LHR was another which stood out like a sore thumb, in a pseudo LMS lined livery. However it’s now great to see these photos as it sort of, defines that era of preservation. 

[DaveF]

39 minutes ago, MidlandRed said:

Are we sure there was any directive? I certainly don’t recall it being reported or discussed in the railway press at the time and have only come across the suggestion   Only certain railways seemed to invent their own liveries (KWVR and L and HR being notable examples). SVR, for instance had its locos (eg 46443 and 48773) in BR livery - I don’t think they were unique, although as with all railway (and bus) preservation there was a tendency to paint stock in as built condition, which, in many cases for locos meant grouping or pre grouping. 

 

The KWVR website page about the 2-6-2T 41241 states that "When the engine arrived on the Worth Valley it was painted maroon and, along with USA Tank No. 30072, double-headed the “Re-opening Special” on 29th June 1968. Resplendent in its distinctive red livery, 41241 wrote itself into Worth Valley folklore on the Re-opening Special. Although coming to the end of steam on the national network, it was forbidden to operate ex-BR locomotives in BR livery. The choice of livery decided upon was the non-authentic, but appropriate crimson, reflecting its LMS lineage."

Link: https://kwvr.co.uk/41241-lms-ivatt-class-2mt-2-6-2t/

 

David

[DaveF]

Some photos taken at Skipton on 17th March 1968 when steam specials were running.  The two trains were from Stockport to Carnforth via Skipton with an engine change at Skipton (and other places).  They were organised by Williams Deacon's Bank club.  Details are available on the Six Bells Junction site at:    https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/680317wd.html

 

Dad and I, along with the other photographers, were not trespassing.  The railway police on duty spoke to the signalman who said that no other trains were due while the specials were at Skipton so we were all invited to go onto the track to take photos and watch.

 

As I often say it was different in those days.

 

 

Skipton Sta North Junction Class 5s 44899 and 45290 Special Stockport to Carnforth March 68 J1224

 

 

Skipton 4472 Flying Scotsman special to Carnforth March 67 J1227

 

 

Skipton 4472 Flying Scotsman special to Carnforth March 67 J1229

 

 

Skipton Class 5s 45447 and 45110 special No2 Stockport to Carnforth March 68 J1231

 

 

Skipton Class 5s 45447 and 45110 special No2 Stockport to Carnforth March 68 J1232

 

David

Edited March 31 by DaveF

[John Besley]

40 minutes ago, MidlandRed said:

Did KWVR and LHR run into BR stations at the time - SVR extended to Kidderminster much later? Maybe that was why but equally, the railways may have taken the view they’d use historic liveries they liked or made up their own. The Dart Valley at that time, IIRC had everything in GW livery (including 1638) and locos such as 6697, 4555, 7029, 6000 and 4079 ran in GW livery in service on the main line in the mid 60s.  I do recall feeling somewhat miffed when I visited KWVR on a loco society shed bash trip around Yorkshire in 1969/70 that even the railbuses were in made up liveries - as I’d never seen them in BR days it was disappointing at the time, although good to see them preserved - 46441 on LHR was another which stood out like a sore thumb, in a pseudo LMS lined livery. However it’s now great to see these photos as it sort of, defines that era of preservation. 

 

I'd need to hunt through my Fathers photo collection but fairly certain 1638 had DART VALLEY in GW style lettering on her tanks at some point

[big jim]

27 minutes ago, DaveF said:

The two trains were from Stockport to Morecambe via Skipton

the 6 bells web site says they only went to carnforth where there was a shed visit 

 

As I read you post I was thinking about the route with my ‘modern railway map’ head on and visualised them coming in to Skipton from the west and reversing having come along the little north western, of course back then the direct line from Accrington was still open and I realise having seen the route on 6 bells it came in that way, amazing too that the 2 tours ran within 30 mins of each other the 2nd one being added due to popularity, doubly amazing they mustered up so many different run of the mill locos too in the dieing months of steam 
 

I’ve only ever been to Skipton once by train, luckily in the cab of the NMT where I took over driving from hellifield to traverse the S+C, it’s great to see just how much railway there was there back in the steam days compared to the basic track layout that exists now

 

Edited March 31 by big jim

[DaveF]

Many thanks Jim for reminding me they went to Carnforth not Morecambe.  I did read the link I put to Six Bells but obviously was not awake enough this morning to correct the captions, now done.

 

One day I will get a whole post done with no self made errors - usually they are typos and I find them and correct them before pressing Submit but not always...

 

David

Edited March 31 by DaveF
to correct a typo

[LMS2968]

2 minutes ago, DaveF said:

One day I will get a whole post done with no self made errors - usually they are typos and I find them and correct them before preesing Submit but not always...

You aren't alone. David. I do a lot of writing for various society magazines. I proof read them four or five times and send them when I'm confident all the errors have been eliminated. Then the magazine arrives in print, and there's always at least one!

[Mol_PMB]

J1224 - I always like the contrast between a brand new Mk2 being hauled by an end-of-life steam loco. There are quite a few photos showing it, which is surprising - one would have thought the newest coaches would have been on the main-line expresses rather than excursions. 

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a fantastic set of photo’s of the Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway, at Haverthwaite, with photos from 1973 and 1975. The last photo’ of Fairburn 4MTT, masquerading as CR 2085, in August, 1975, actually looks good in the Caledonian blue livery.

 

The photo’s at Skipton on the 17th March, 1968, are a superb selection, and form an excellent record of how things were on BR in those sad, final months of steam on BR. J1231, of Class 5s 45447 and 45110, on special No2, from Stockport to Carnforth, in March, 1968, is a truly splendid photograph of not only the train, but the bullhead track in the foreground on the softwood sleepers. A ‘proper railway’.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[11B]

6 hours ago, MidlandRed said:

Did KWVR and LHR run into BR stations at the time - SVR extended to Kidderminster much later? Maybe that was why but equally, the railways may have taken the view they’d use historic liveries they liked or made up their own. The Dart Valley at that time, IIRC had everything in GW livery (including 1638) and locos such as 6697, 4555, 7029, 6000 and 4079 ran in GW livery in service on the main line in the mid 60s.  I do recall feeling somewhat miffed when I visited KWVR on a loco society shed bash trip around Yorkshire in 1969/70 that even the railbuses were in made up liveries - as I’d never seen them in BR days it was disappointing at the time, although good to see them preserved - 46441 on LHR was another which stood out like a sore thumb, in a pseudo LMS lined livery. However it’s now great to see these photos as it sort of, defines that era of preservation. 

Lakeside station (and track bed) was still owned by BR then, BR still owned the boats on Windermere

 

Ian

[St Enodoc]

7 hours ago, John Besley said:

 

I'd need to hunt through my Fathers photo collection but fairly certain 1638 had DART VALLEY in GW style lettering on her tanks at some point

That's right. My understanding was that it was because the loco was built after nationalisation.

[Chris Turnbull]

22 hours ago, DaveF said:

The Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway at Haverthwaite with photos from 1973 and 1975.

 

Haverthwaite Fairburn 4MTT as CR 2085 Aug 75 J4618

 

Another more recent photo taken on 9th May 2007

 

 

Chris Turnbull

[DaveF]

Grantham, an assortment taken over the years.

 

 

Grantham Class 47 1764 Newcastle to Kings X Feb 72 C843  Taken while waiting to catch a train to Retford, then to Sheffield and on to Manchester.

 

 

Grantham Class 55 9015 08.00 Edinburgh to Kings X May 72 J2928

 

 

Grantham Class 47 down freightliner Jan 74 C1465

 

 

Grantham 254007 Kings X to Edinburgh going away Feb 79 C4307

 

 

Grantham 47014 Manchester to Parkeston Quay June 80 C5066  More likely to be 47004, with thanks to Andrew (brushman47544)

 

David

Edited April 1 by DaveF

[brushman47544]

C5066 looks more like 47004

[DaveF]

Cambridge in black and white around 1947/8 this evening.

 

 

Cambridge B1 down pass  Kings X to Cambridge c1948 JVol7244

 

 

Cambridge B1 fireman 1948 JVol1231

 

 

Cambridge B2 61671 Royal Sovereign and B2 61617 Ford Castle 1947 JVol1425

 

 

Cambridge Fowler 4MTT Cambridge to Bletchely c1948 JVol1196

 

 

Cambridge J17 1947 JVol1434

 

 

Cambridge LNER B1 1114 and E4 2-4-0 1948 JVol1195

 

David