RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2015 Could be a football special, which London village teams were playing Manchester/Liverpool teams on that day? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2015 Midland Pullman '63. Was 'Summertime' different then? I know nowt about the clock changes and CBA to research it. It could also have been late? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) A few photos from a visit ti Stoke on Trent in February 1972 this evening. It was a very cold dull day, with a bit of brightness in the late afternoon. This was during a period of power cuts some of which were up to 9 hours long, when between 10% and 15% of the country was blacked out at a time. I remember the journey from Manchester (and back again) very well as the heating in the Class 310s was turned off to save electricity. There were also no lights on at all in the station even though it was a very gloomy day. There was a generator on one platform with a string of lights under the overall roof to provide some illumination during the power cuts. I arrived back at Manchester Piccadilly in the early evening, the station was in darkness, the only lights came from trains in the platforms and the ticket office had a few lights, there was a small generator outside with a cable going in through an open window to power some lights and the ticket machines. Stoke on Trent Class 310 092 Manchester Oxford Road to Birmingham New St 12th Feb 72 C822 Stoke on Trent Class 47 down ballast 12th Feb 72 C827 Stoke on Trent Class 104 Crewe to Derby 12th Feb 72 C829 Stoke on Trent 310 062 Manchester Piccadilly to Birmingham New St 12th Feb 72 C831 Stoke on Trent porters barrow, station name on upright 12th Feb 72 C833 David Edited March 30, 2015 by DaveF 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi, Dave. I certainly remember the power cuts. The only source of light at our home back then was the good old candles, as well as the coal fire. I also remember being able to view the night sky without any light pollution to spoil it! Now, in photo' C829, with a class 104 DMU, there appears to be some damage to it's cab end. Certainly the driver's side marker light has part of it's lens glazing broken, and then the driver's windscreen would seem to be completely missing - unless this is a trick of the light, only it would seem that you can see right into the cab in such a way that you could not if the glazing was intact. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Interesting set of pictures from a difficult time in our recent history. I remember the blackouts as 7 year old living on a estate in Oldham with electric power heating, not great. I am surprised not many other response although perhaps someone shouted"All out" and i missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I happened to live on the side of a hill during the power cuts, and if we watched out of the window at certain times in the evening, a large area of streets would suddenly go dark, sometimes including my place. We all lived in various bedsits scattered around the town, and would drive around to anyone's gaff who had electricity; then cook a group dinner on their Baby Belling. Vesta packet curries were ideal for this activity, because if we all bought the same one - usually the beef curry for two (big appetites) - each, then we could just tip it in one big saucepan and the accumulated rice in another. Those were the days......... weren't they? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) We were living in a 70's house, with electric storage heating (with a seperate off-peak meter), We liked the power cuts, the electricity meters failed and started to run backwards when the power was restored.... Stewart Edited March 31, 2015 by stewartingram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi. I just wish to add a bit more about the power cuts. I seem to recall that, for us in East Yorks., the only way which we could get information was to go to the local electricity shop in the middle of Beverley, and on the door was a list of towns and villages. They were divided up High, Medium and Low, regarding the chance of receiving a power cut. It was dire, but we managed - I remember setting up the model railway in the lounge, and running some trains off a very large battery. All the best, Market65. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 30, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi, Dave. I certainly remember the power cuts. The only source of light at our home back then was the good old candles, as well as the coal fire. I also remember being able to view the night sky without any light pollution to spoil it! Now, in photo' C829, with a class 104 DMU, there appears to be some damage to it's cab end. Certainly the driver's side marker light has part of it's lens glazing broken, and then the driver's windscreen would seem to be completely missing - unless this is a trick of the light, only it would seem that you can see right into the cab in such a way that you could not if the glazing was intact. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. I've had a look at my notes and cannot find any reference to a broken windscreen. It did leave on time for Derby. Looking at the original scan I'm inclined to think that the glass is there, it's probably just at an angle so there appear to be no reflections. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suddaby Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi Dave, Yes the winter of discontent power cuts. I was at college on Cottingham Road in Hull at the time, but don't really remember power being cut off to the college. However, I do remember having to go swimming to a pool (Albert Ave baths) that wasn't allowed to heat the water! It was so cold that the chlorine in the water wasn't dissolving properly. The water was very cloudy,and we came out blue. Think it only happened once and then the baths closed. Can't have been very healthy. Also Vesta Curries, our introduction to the delights of Indian cuisine! Kevin 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi Dave, Yes the winter of discontent power cuts. I was at college on Cottingham Road in Hull at the time, but don't really remember power being cut off to the college. However, I do remember having to go swimming to a pool (Albert Ave baths) that wasn't allowed to heat the water! It was so cold that the chlorine in the water wasn't dissolving properly. The water was very cloudy,and we came out blue. Think it only happened once and then the baths closed. Can't have been very healthy. Also Vesta Curries, our introduction to the delights of Indian cuisine! Kevin I don't remember any power cuts during the winter of discontent (78/9), I do remember plenty during the 1972 miners strike and the three day week era (1974). Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi. I believe that there were also cuts during the power workers strike in the winter of '70/'71 as well. So, with some cuts also in the Autumn of '77, that makes four lots of power cuts that the UK were hit with. All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Now, in photo' C829, with a class 104 DMU, there appears to be some damage to it's cab end. Certainly the driver's side marker light has part of it's lens glazing broken, and then the driver's windscreen would seem to be completely missing - unless this is a trick of the light, only it would seem that you can see right into the cab in such a way that you could not if the glazing was intact. I can't imagine that any driver would take out anything which had window damage, let alone a complete pane of glass missing... Union rep: "I'm blacking that until it's been repaired!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just catching up with 10 days of absence. Great photos as always. Slightly OT on the camera front. My first "proper" camera was a Zenith EM - built like a tank. It certainly taught me a lot about photography (but I've forgotten it all since though). I sold it to a friend when I moved onto a Pentax ME Super. We were on a railtour to the West Highland lines just as the 37's were acquiring their various "Loch" names" and photographing our train at Fort William. He was using my old EM on my tripod when I warned him of an incoming train a few feet away on the adjacent platform. He turned round quickly and knocked over the camera and tripod and it bounced towards the platform edge in the path of the oncoming train. Luckily it didn't get too near the edge, as if it had fallen in front of the 37, I would have worried about the 37! The camera suffered a bent threaded ring on the lens where a filter would go and the platform had a corresponding mark, but the camera still worked and provide a few more years service. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2015 I don't remember any power cuts during the winter of discontent (78/9), I do remember plenty during the 1972 miners strike and the three day week era (1974). Adrian Hi Adrian Ted Heath's 3 day week....it was to suppose to save power and therefore coal usage. While all my mates were on a 3 day week I wasn't, I was working for the CEGB at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Not really..... i didn't mean your post, i meant the fact that for some reason the website software has put my text on the right hand side of the box for some reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Hi Adrian Ted Heath's 3 day week....it was to suppose to save power and therefore coal usage. While all my mates were on a 3 day week I wasn't, I was working for the CEGB at the time. Came as a bit of a shock to Longbridge car workers who had to increase their working week to 3 days. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 31, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) A visit to North Eastern Railway metals now to see some trains at York in 1965 and 1966. As always just photos of what happened to come along while he was there - except I remember he was expecting to see 35026, I'd gone with him from Harrogate to see it. York Class 47 D1528 light engine Aug 65 J237 York York Class 40 D252 down parcels Aug 65 J243 York Class 55 D9006 Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, possibly up Flying Scotsman Oct 66 J669 York Merchant Navy 35026 Lamport and Holt Line special Elizabethan Newcastle to Kings X Oct 66 J675 York Class 47 D1872 Newcastle to Kings X Dec 66 J707 David Edited as my typing hasn't improved. David Edited March 31, 2015 by DaveF 41 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) A green Type 4s and 5s on mixed maroon / blue & grey stock, a common enough sight from late '66 onwards but rarely modelled, or so it seems. A fascinating and much maligned period and one of my personal favourites... many thanks for sharing those Dave, I've seen those shots before but never tire of them! More please Sir... Edit : re your earlier post #2769 Dave.... those images are a stark reminder of how grim Britain seemed at certain times in the early '70s, strangely innocent looking back yet melancholic at the same time. I remember those power cuts vividly, even more so on one particular occasion when the utterly useless parafin heater we had i nthe kitchen nearly killed us during night when the pilot flame went out! We (thankfully) all awoke the following morning with blinding headaches, sore throats and blackened nostrils. There was definitley an air of gloom about dear old Blighty back then, I can remember my Dad coming home from work moaning about strikes, unions, managers, blackouts, Ted Heath, the miners, all sorts! Edited March 31, 2015 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 Hi, Dave. Very nostalgic photo's have been posted by you of York this evening. The two tone green on the 47's is a livery which always suited them so well. Now, in photo' J243, of 40 D252, on a down parcels, August, 1963, I see that the ladder on the nose-end is still there - without referring to a book I have, I think that this 40 was, maybe, one of the last to have the ladder still in place the Summer of '63. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PjKing1 Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 More fantastic pics Dave, but then again all your pics are fantastic so keep em coming please!! Cheers, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) I can see D2231 sandwiched between the 03 & 08 in J237. Long shot I know but you wouldn't happen to have a profile shot of D2231 as it went past? Along with D2232 it had a modification that I've never seen on any other Class 04. Basically they had what looked like a drainpipe attached along the full length of the bonnet but I've never been able to work out if the pipe was centrally mounted or offset. I've no idea as to the purpose of the pipe but think it may have been a modification for the radiator header tank or something to do with flame proofing. Both locos regularly worked trips into Paton and Baldwins wool spinners when at Darlington and both locos were regulars around the timber yards at Hartlepool docks but ex. Darlington steam men have discounted the flamproofing idea as they say they drove steam engines in Patons works despite Patons shunter being a fireless loco due the fire risk. Apologies once again for the digression. P Edited March 31, 2015 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Hi Adrian Ted Heath's 3 day week....it was to suppose to save power and therefore coal usage. While all my mates were on a 3 day week I wasn't, I was working for the CEGB at the time. I was trying to do my homework by Tilley lamp My recollection is that school kept going whether the power was on or not. Adrian Edited March 31, 2015 by figworthy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Hi, Dave. Very nostalgic photo's have been posted by you of York this evening. The two tone green on the 47's is a livery which always suited them so well. Now, in photo' J243, of 40 D252, on a down parcels, August, 1963, I see that the ladder on the nose-end is still there - without referring to a book I have, I think that this 40 was, maybe, one of the last to have the ladder still in place the Summer of '63. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. Dear old D252! In the days I was trainspotting we didn't see too many Type 4s close to where I lived. In fact the only place to see them was on the southern end of the ECML. There would be an air of excitement as a Type 4 approached, followed by a sigh of diappointment as D25*********2 rolled past again. As for the ladder the NER locos kept theirs much longer than the other regions, this might be due to the lack of 25 KVa dangling above the tracks. On Chris Turnbill's photo thread there is a picture of D253 with full yellow end and a ladder, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/91758-chris-ts-photo-archives-updated-6th-march/?p=1668454 Edited March 31, 2015 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 31, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) I can see D2231 sandwiched between the 03 & 08 in J237. Long shot I know but you wouldn't happen to have a profile shot of D2231 as it went past? Along with D2232 it had a modification that I've never seen on any other Class 04. Basically they had what looked like a drainpipe attached along the full length of the bonnet but I've never been able to work out if the pipe was centrally mounted or offset. I've no idea as to the purpose of the pipe but think it may have been a modification for the radiator header tank or something to do with flame proofing. Both locos regularly worked trips into Paton and Baldwins wool spinners when at Darlington and both locos were regulars around the timber yards at Hartlepool docks but ex. Darlington steam men have discounted the flamproofing idea as they say they drove steam engines in Patons works despite Patons shunter being a fireless loco due the fire risk. Apologies once again for the digression. P Dad did take a photo with D2231 in it as it went past, but I'm not sure how much use it will be to you. Anyway, here it is - as with all his 1965 photos it is from a half frame slide (24mm x 18mm) so quality is always a problem. This one is particularly poor. York Class 03 D2151 and Class 04 D2231 also an 08 Aug 65 J238 David Edited March 31, 2015 by DaveF 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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