35A Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 IIRC 1M80 (in C658) was the Yarmouth - Walsall summer Saturdays holidaymaker, the return working of the morning 1E91 Walsall - Yarmouth, in which case that picture would have been taken at around 17:45 - 18:00. This was the Midlands - East Anglia equivalent of the "Jolly Fisherman" trains to Skegness and was a 2xClass 25 turn for many years, only very occasionally turning out something else, usually a Brush 4. However, during its last couple of years it became a fairly regular 47 turn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 27, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Photos from visits made to Pilmoor on various dates in 1967 for today. Pilmoor Class 47 D1669 down Feb 67 J776 Pilmoor Class 40 D277 up freight March 67 J782 Pilmoor Class 46 D147 Newcastle to York March 67 J790 Pilmoor Class 40 D286 down goods June 67 J926 Pilmoor Class 55 D9018 Ballymoss 10.00 Kings X to Edinburgh The Flying Scotsman Sept 67 J1122 Thanks again to Mark54 for the details. David Edited March 28, 2017 by DaveF 38 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 One of the certainties in life is that if you see a post from DaveF with the names Swayfield or Pilmoor in the description, you know there are some cracking shots coming up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) J776 is a very short train for a 47 on the ECML. I wonder what 1N70 was? Sadly I don't have the relevant WTT. Edited to add D1669 was a Cardiff loco. Curiouser... Edited March 27, 2017 by jonny777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I am beginning to wonder about D1669. It should be named, but I can't see a plate. Are you sure it is not D1969, David? The number is rather blurred on the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 27, 2017 Earlier... beautiful pic of Waverley. Quite made my day. thanks you. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 J790; something odd about the last vehicle, can't see when I enlarge it though - any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 27, 2017 J790; something odd about the last vehicle, can't see when I enlarge it though - any ideas? It doesn't look the same colour as the blue/grey Mk1 so could it be a green Mk1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's a BR CCT or GUV isn't it? Regards Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) It doesn't look the same colour as the blue/grey Mk1 so could it be a green Mk1? It's a BR CCT or GUV isn't it? Regards Guy I thought both of those, but it looks to be shorter than the other vehicles, so possibly not another MK1 coach. Too long for a CCT methinks, so yes possibly NPCCS, a green GUV or BG? Edited March 27, 2017 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 27, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 I am beginning to wonder about D1669. It should be named, but I can't see a plate. Are you sure it is not D1969, David? The number is rather blurred on the image. It could well be, I've taken the number from Dad's notes as I can't read it either. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 D1669 should have a nameplate too. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 27, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 J790; something odd about the last vehicle, can't see when I enlarge it though - any ideas? It doesn't look the same colour as the blue/grey Mk1 so could it be a green Mk1? It's a BR CCT or GUV isn't it? Regards Guy I thought both of those, but it looks to be shorter than the other vehicles, so possibly not another MK1 coach. Too long for a CCT methinks, so yes possibly NPCCS, a green GUV or BG? I've had a look at the scan, that end of the train is not sharp so I can't decide what it is. I think Dad must have focussed on the front of the train. His notes say the exposure was 1/500 at f1.4, so there isn't much depth of field. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 Hi, Dave. I love the photo's of Pilmoor. It is on the 'Racing section' of the ECML north of York, and the photo's show trains racing by the camera. That train hauled by the 47 in the first photo' is short at four coaches. I wonder if it was a portion to Middlesborough? With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) J776 is a very short train for a 47 on the ECML. I wonder what 1N70 was? Sadly I don't have the relevant WTT. Edited to add D1669 was a Cardiff loco. Curiouser... Cardiff locos not unknown on ECML there is a shot on this thread of another namer.... But have to agree I suspect not D1669 which was green FYE by July - although both D1669 and D1969 were Crewe built and delivered with Serck rad grilles so other than the lack of nameplate both fit the photo Phil Edited March 27, 2017 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Pilmoor Class 40 D277 up freight March 67 J782 What a lovely freight! Insulated van at the front and three Lowmacs apparently loaded with some military vehicles. And lots of other variety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Slight correction to the caption of 1A16. From the formation seen, it is the 12th June to 16th Sept summer months 10:00 KX-Edinburgh - The Flying Scotsman - that didn't have an Aberdeen portion at the front, the whole train being for Edinburgh. The Aberdeen coaches were carried on the summer relief train at 10:10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2017 Hi, Dave. I love the photo's of Pilmoor. It is on the 'Racing section' of the ECML north of York, and the photo's show trains racing by the camera. That train hauled by the 47 in the first photo' is short at four coaches. I wonder if it was a portion to Middlesborough? With warmest regards, Rob. 4 coach train - well spotted Rob, a nice train to model. Some of us are just too loco centric...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 J776 is a very short train for a 47 on the ECML. I wonder what 1N70 was? Sadly I don't have the relevant WTT. Edited to add D1669 was a Cardiff loco. Curiouser... I would politely query the ID on that one, given that D1669 was named "PYTHON" in March 1966, less than a year earlier, and the loco in the photograph shows no sign of having carried nameplates. It wasn't unknown for the Western 47s to shed one or both plates but, AFAIK, "PYTHON" didn't lose its plates until 1972/1973, after which it never carried them (or replacements) again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted March 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2017 Pilmoor Class 46 D147 Newcastle to Liverpool?? March 67 J790 1B84 was the 14.25 Newcastle - York in 1968. It looks like a GUV has been added on the rear to me. Pilmoor Class 47 D1669 down Feb 67 J776 1N70 was 10.30 Bristol - Newcastle in 1968, but the train would not have been four coaches, so it is probably a different working. It looks to be a mid-afternoon photo though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I would politely query the ID on that one, given that D1669 was named "PYTHON" in March 1966, less than a year earlier, and the loco in the photograph shows no sign of having carried nameplates. It wasn't unknown for the Western 47s to shed one or both plates but, AFAIK, "PYTHON" didn't lose its plates until 1972/1973, after which it never carried them (or replacements) again. Apologies for restating something that had already been raised. I thought that I was on the last page when I responded and missed the earlier, similar replies! It's an age thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2017 Pilmoor Class 46 D147 Newcastle to Liverpool?? March 67 J790 1B84 was the 14.25 Newcastle - York in 1968. It looks like a GUV has been added on the rear to me. Pilmoor Class 47 D1669 down Feb 67 J776 1N70 was 10.30 Bristol - Newcastle in 1968, but the train would not have been four coaches, so it is probably a different working. It looks to be a mid-afternoon photo though. Thanks Stovepipe. The 1N70 would have been an afternoon photo - we hardly ever went to Pilmoor in the morning. Perhaps between 2 and 3.30 pm. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) The Great Central between Scunthorpe and Cleethorpes, with a detour to Immingham this afternoon. As you may notice once again some of the slides underwent a big colour change over the years which I have not been able to fully correct. Scunthorpe Class 40 westbound steel 11th Aug 77 C3456 Immingham view west Immingham East Junction 30th May 91 C15869 Habrough 30th May 91 C15872 Habrough 30th May 91 C15873 looking the other way - the platforms are staggered. Grimsby 158789 26th July 2000 C25007 Cleethorpes 153352 Cleethorpes to Barton on Humber 26th July 2000 C25003 David Edited March 28, 2017 by DaveF 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted March 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2017 The 'Austerity' saddletank in the Shildon photos is better known as 'Gamma' from Vane Tempest colliery in Seaham. It is extant at Tanfield. In one of Tom Heavyside's books about industrial steam, a young me can be seen on the footplate in several shots at Vane Tempest! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted March 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2017 C18572 - that station building is a very useful prototype for the space starved modeller. Very narrow front to back. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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