RMweb Premium Nile Posted March 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) At the risk of opening a can of worms, I see the RRP for the loco has been withdrawn and is back to TBA. Subject to a time and motion study perhaps? Opening side and end doors is impressive considering that van is only 82mm long and 25mm wide (based on the Parkside model). Edited March 20, 2016 by Nile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 At the risk of opening a can of worms, I see the RRP for the loco has been withdrawn and is back to TBA. I hope this is unsurprising. Based on those images, there's a terrific amount of detail there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 At the risk of opening a can of worms, I see the RRP for the loco has been withdrawn and is back to TBA. Well yes, what was on display was a 3D print, so they are a long way off production yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Yes, a 3D test print was on display at Ally Pally along with accompanying open wagon and box van with stretcher racks inside. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2016 Very nice indeed, I can see a lot of WW1 layouts as a result. I wonder if they'll consider a OO version of the N gauge Landship set to complement it? just an idea 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Yes, a 3D test print was on display at Ally Pally along with accompanying open wagon and box van with stretcher racks inside. Bachmann_Baldwin_3Dprint_1s.jpg Bachmann_Baldwin_3Dprint_2s.jpg Bachmann_OO9_Open_Wagon_s.jpg OO9-covered_wagon.jpg The texture from certain 3D prints makes models actually look like very realistic unkept museum locos (in a good way) Just needs a realistic paint job. Glad something in Bachmann is making progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I hope this is unsurprising. Based on those images, there's a terrific amount of detail there. The thought prompted by the pictures was 'that isn't coming in with a narrow gauged price is it?' . At least with NG you typically don't need that much stock for a realistic operation. (That will provoke a reply from someone with plans to model 'everything' from forward supply depot to front line at Cuinchy or wherever.) The couplers look as though they could be easily modified by eliminating the hinging loops and the hooks, and going for the manual method of inserting drawbars with wire pins to secure them in the sockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2016 The thought prompted by the pictures was 'that isn't coming in with a narrow gauged price is it?' . At least with NG you typically don't need that much stock for a realistic operation. (That will provoke a reply from someone with plans to model 'everything' from forward supply depot to front line at Cuinchy or wherever.) The couplers look as though they could be easily modified by eliminating the hinging loops and the hooks, and going for the manual method of inserting drawbars with wire pins to secure them in the sockets. They've said the couplings will be modified yet as this is only the current CAD and there are a few mods still to come. They just wanted to show progress as an update The thinking behind the vans with interiors is a real step forward for special models like these that had so many internal fit outs. I'd been very tempted by the Swiftsixteen 16mm range as they offer a selection of the specialised vans including workshops so hopefully these might be possible in the future in 009 which would be a lot easier to store! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The thought prompted by the pictures was 'that isn't coming in with a narrow gauged price is it?' . At least with NG you typically don't need that much stock for a realistic operation. (That will provoke a reply from someone with plans to model 'everything' from forward supply depot to front line at Cuinchy or wherever.) The couplers look as though they could be easily modified by eliminating the hinging loops and the hooks, and going for the manual method of inserting drawbars with wire pins to secure them in the sockets. Bachmann's Liliput website [http://liliput.de/en/products/liliput/availability-list.html] shows the Austrian U class at 199 Euros [Approx £157] so I'd expect this to be the price level we should be expecting, and possibly more as the U class is old tooling. For some reason all the HOe equipment has disappeared off Bachmanns UK website. http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 As the Baldwin was mentioned by Bachmann as being connected with the anniversary of World War One, is there a chance they will produce it before the 100th anniversary of the Armistice in 1918? Has anyone heard any dates mentioned to customers, you know,.....the people they depend on to buy the goods? These delays are getting beyond a joke nowadays, all speculation, 3d, and froth, and seeming unconcern by the suppliers. They make and deliver Roco, but yet again the UK is left out in the cold. Stephen 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) It's delayed? There hasn't been a date for delivery issued as far as I've seen its only been announced. http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=branchline&prod=14 Considering it's only been announced and the usual lead time is at least 12-18 months for a delivery date it seems ok when you know they've all slipped due to the Chinese upheaval. They've only shown an initial 3D prototype so it's got to go to tooling and test shots yet. I'd expect to see the next progress at Warley now unless there's feverish work to aim for the beginning of November. They haven't taken any money off anyone Edited July 25, 2016 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) With good grace most retail outlets have the goods when they are announced, not announced then designed, then tested then made then delivered. They announced it in 2014 and should have had supplies in the shops then, or do we modify our ways to conform with the Chinese? If you sell something you must be able to deliver, it is part and parcel of business and yet the Model Railway trade has succumbed to promises promises, and be grateful you get anything,....... it is they who should be grateful to the customer and not take people for a mystery trip before getting around to supplying the goods.It would just be nice to have a new product announced and available in the shops at the same time, like most items used ti be, with the two year development secret til then, but then we have the pampered society that demands to know years in advance what is being produced these days. It needs constant pressure, comment and complaint about these long delivery times, they must wake up or they will ruin the hobby, Believe me in conversations about model railways the subject of waiting and the mind numbing lack of planning by the companies that is most talked about issue. It does cause people to stop the hobby and move to another. Non delivery and limited availability are killing impulse purchases, especially with younger buyers, the older are more willing to wait, but any lost sale is a worry. Sorry to vent my own frustration, but I think it s time to do something about it. In my own case, since recovery from illness early this year twenty five plus items I was about to purchase were nor supplied yet, locos, stock, coaches, and track, all in the pipeline, but not available yet. I will be dead before some items promised turn up, but these are not Bachmann's items...... Stephen. Edited July 25, 2016 by bertiedog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2016 Kind of agree . Had actually forgotten that this had been announced until I saw your note . After prices, the amount of time taken to bring a model to fruition is indeed the most talked about. But actually Bachmann is no worse than Heljan or DJT in this respect including their commissions. Hornby and Oxford appear a bit better, but agree the industry could do with a reorientation towards customers expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Fair enough but they are producing stuff and people are impulse buying same as they will when these arrive. We will have to wait and see how they sell. If you think they've made a boo boo and they don't go quick you may find a bargain eventually but that's a gamble only you can decide on Times are hard and they will concentrate on known big sellers or profit items. No one else is beating them to market with this so the ship isn't sailing without them Just because Bachmann don't choose to tell us doesn't mean there aren't good financial and commercial reasons for it. Edited July 25, 2016 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) On a separate product I've just taken delivery of two Accucraft cabooses that were 'promised' by the manufacturer six years ago Would I buy from them again? Yep! Edited July 25, 2016 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Phil Parker Posted July 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2016 Believe me in conversations about model railways the subject of waiting and the mind numbing lack of planning by the companies that is most talked about issue. That's odd, I'm sure it was prices that were the most talked about issue. Or rivets. Or the shade of GWR green. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Part of the problem is the size of the UK market, but it is still a big market, and I recently talked with several friends about railways in Germany and other European countries, yes, they have long delivery times from the Chinese, but about half the wait that the UK has, and the numbers are lower than UK runs. Is there something about the way orders are placed etc., with them? or the follow up contact with the Chinese makers? I had years of experience in camera and optical trade with the Japanese, who are not that different in trade operations to modern China, and they always said the British were the most difficult to do business with, polite and friendly, but when it came to parting with cash we were the bottom of the league. We always paid them though, but "late"(last minute), and they felt there was no day to day concern shown about orders from the UK. It was just a different way of business practice, but it affected how seriously they took orders even from big suppliers in the UK. I wonder if this affects the way MR items are supplied differently to different markets? In no way am I saying UK makers do not pay up or correctly, but accountancy standard practise varies a lot, and perhaps that affects it. I remember an order we placed for some gear from china for motors to be fitted to specialist lab gear, and were told supply was not possible, as they had not received the payment from the UK company we were partnered with, so I phoned the company, and spoke to the accounts department who paid the bills, and was told it was held for payment till the company tax situation was sorted out for the year, and the contract seemed to contain no penalty clauses for delayed payment. I explained it was delaying further business, and indeed it was sorted out reasonably quickly, but when the Chinese rep came next he said it was typical UK practice, (they do it as well by the way!) None of this really explains why the Germans get models quicker than the UK........unless you know any other reasons. Maybe the Chinese feel more comfortable with dealing with a stronger economy. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That's odd, I'm sure it was prices that were the most talked about issue. Or rivets. Or the shade of GWR green. Dear Sir, I am compelled to write ... harrumph, GWR harrumph green harrumph. Guilty m'lud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The only person I ever meet who could tell a GWR Green was correct at a glance was totally colour blind!! He saw it as shades of grey. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted July 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2016 I do have some sympathy for the model companies on this issue. If they announce early as Bachmann do and the model is delayed then they face criticism for delays, accusations of just putting out markers on products etc. If they announce late as Hornby often do then the interval between announcement and delivery is shorter but they face the risk of somebody annoucing first after they've started development and then it is the outfit that announce second who face criticism for duplication, copying. I like the idea of just announcing when the model is ready to ship but that is quite a risk for the company in some ways. The companies are not taking payment up front or entering a contractual relationship so ultimately whilst the delays may be annoying the customer is not losing money and the company is not breaking any contractual agreeement. And there are plenty of other new releases to buy. I'll admit that I can get annoyed when models are delayed but it is better to take a step back and let it go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Bachmann's Liliput website [http://liliput.de/en/products/liliput/availability-list.html] shows the Austrian U class at 199 Euros [Approx £157] so I'd expect this to be the price level we should be expecting, and possibly more as the U class is old tooling. For some reason all the HOe equipment has disappeared off Bachmanns UK website. http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=0 http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=0 http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=2 http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=1 http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=liliputhoe&prod=3 It is separate from the normal HO items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted January 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2017 I received an email from Hattons earlier today indicating that the Baldwin ref 391-025 has an arrival date between November and December 2018. I presume its being timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) I received an email from Hattons earlier today indicating that the Baldwin ref 391-025 has an arrival date between November and December 2018. I presume its being timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1. Bachmann releases resemble WW1: When they are announced, everyone expects to have them home by Christmas, but in fact many unforeseen years pass .... more than anyone imagined. Edited January 9, 2017 by Edwardian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I received an email from Hattons earlier today indicating that the Baldwin ref 391-025 has an arrival date between November and December 2018. I presume its being timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1. I dont think that a manufacturer would hold on to production of an item to coincide with an anniversary if they could market them earlier! I am sure that there would be a high proportion of potential purchasers who will just buy the loco as a RTR 009 loco after all they were used for other purposes later (WHLR etc) If the release date does occur as stated it will be around 4.5 years since announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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