bennyboy Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm wondering whether the wagons might be small enough to fit on something like the Weltrol as a load? It would be even better if Bachmann produced a transporter wagon that would allow you to do it the other way around! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2014 It would be even better if Bachmann produced a transporter wagon that would allow you to do it the other way around! IIRC one or maybe two of the continental manufacturers produced a transporter wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) 1. What sort of coupler is on the loco in the photo ? 2. What sort of couplers will be used on the model ? 3. I want one now ! How long do I have to wait ? Edited July 24, 2014 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2014 1. What sort of coupler is on the loco in the photo ? 2. What sort of couplers will be used on the model ? 3. I want one now ! How long do I have to wait ? 1- it's a link and pin coupler. 2- I suspect something compatible to the Peco / Bemo one which is fairly universal in 009 and HOe. 3- no idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2014 IIRC one or maybe two of the continental manufacturers produced a transporter wagon. I remember seeing transporter wagons in the flesh on the Zillertalbahn. Did the UK NG lines use similar ones? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2014 The Leek & Manifold had transporters but nothing like the lilliput HOe ones, I think Centre Models did one but it's not a currently available kit. The Padarn also had transporters but they were 4 two foot quarry wagons on four foot gauge transporter. There's no reason you can't use the continental ones on a freelance line with a bit of anglicanisation though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2014 Bachmann produces a bogie well wagon http://www.ehattons.com/32831/Bachmann_Branchline_33_901E_45_ton_bogie_well_wagon_in_BR_grey/StockDetail.aspx However I don't know if the Baldwin would fit in the well space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 1- it's a link and pin coupler. 2- I suspect something compatible to the Peco / Bemo one which is fairly universal in 009 and HOe. 3- no idea Re Couplings,, most likely hoop & loop as most NG mnfrs use in 009/H0e but worth noting that the vast majority of 009/H0e have NEM pockets enabling the simple substitution of knuckle couplings (confirming PEO L&B stock has NEM pockets BUT they are a little on the Fragile side when compared to Liliput/Roco ones!) Bachmann (Liliput) even supply Knuckle couplings for alternatiive use on their recent H0e Zillertahl stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2014 Re Couplings,, most likely hoop & loop Er - hook and loop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Er - hook and loop? Typin' Error!!!!!!!!!!! Doin too things at wonce!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I have three of these built from GEM kits and Farish 08 Chassis (WDLR, S&D and GVT) none of them run well, so I will be eagerly awaiting these. As you can probably guess from my photo if I get one it will be straight into the paint shops - just hope I can still line things! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I remember seeing transporter wagons in the flesh on the Zillertalbahn. Did the UK NG lines use similar ones? Keith There's a nice little Pathe film clip on YouTube of one being used on the Leek & Manifold Light Railway in the 1930s. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) The L&M was 2' 6" gauge and didn't use the 2' gauge locos Bachmann are making. I think the reference in the post to transporter wagons related to standard gauge wagons to transport narrow gauge engines and stock to and from the works? I'm sure I read somewhere that 2' 6" (750/760mm) gauge was the minimum they reckoned it was safe to use transporter wagons or bogies to transport SG wagons on narrow gauge lines? Edited July 27, 2014 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The Ashover did convert one of the ex-L&M transporters but found it to be unstable and out of gauge when loaded. I suspect to make it work on the narrower gauge track would need to be maintained to a high level and the infrastructure would also need the clearances for the wagon being carried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 OK, not being afraid to admit my ignorance ... As I understand all of the above, Bachmann are proposing to bring out a range of 4mm narrow gauge locomotives and stock suitable for a WDLR layout, compatible with their "normal" 00 range, but running on 009 track. This is where the ignorance comes in. Is this the same as N gauge track or is it going to have to be sourced separately? Either way I want this, but while we're on the subject is there any hint of an ROD version of the Robinson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Just out of interest was it considered practical to use transporter wagons on 3' gauge? I fancy the idea of doing a freelance English 3' gauge line some time using a few of the Peco HOm points I have, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of sideways clearance left in the shots of the L&M transporter wagon in the video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted July 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2014 OK, not being afraid to admit my ignorance ... As I understand all of the above, Bachmann are proposing to bring out a range of 4mm narrow gauge locomotives and stock suitable for a WDLR layout, compatible with their "normal" 00 range, but running on 009 track. This is where the ignorance comes in. Is this the same as N gauge track or is it going to have to be sourced separately? Either way I want this, but while we're on the subject is there any hint of an ROD version of the Robinson? The gauge is the same as N, but the sleepers would be different. Peco do some notional OO9 track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Ah, most kind. Thank you very much. I'll start saving up then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) OK, not being afraid to admit my ignorance ... As I understand all of the above, Bachmann are proposing to bring out a range of 4mm narrow gauge locomotives and stock suitable for a WDLR layout, compatible with their "normal" 00 range, but running on 009 track. This is where the ignorance comes in. Is this the same as N gauge track or is it going to have to be sourced separately? Either way I want this, but while we're on the subject is there any hint of an ROD version of the Robinson? Putting it rather simplisticly: "N" gauge track is nominally standard gauge track/sleepers reduced to 9mm for use with 2mm/ft models "009" is light railway track representing something in the region 2' 0" - 2' 6" reduced to 9mm for use with 4mm/ft models If you take 18.83 to be true 4mm/ft (P4/S4) gauge then 9mm represents just under half of 4' 8 1/2" Keith Edited July 27, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Just out of interest was it considered practical to use transporter wagons on 3' gauge? I fancy the idea of doing a freelance English 3' gauge line some time using a few of the Peco HOm points I have, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of sideways clearance left in the shots of the L&M transporter wagon in the video No reason why not, there's loads of Metre gauge lines on the Continent that use either transporter wagons or bogies so 3ft gauge would be virtually the same. Zeuke did a 12mm gauge transporter wagon in the 60s in HOm which, instead of using two bogies, made it into a 4 wheel wagon with the outer wheels of each bogie only half depth. From more than about 12" you couldn't tell and it ran a lot better than the Liliput 9mm gauge ones. I have one that someone had converted to 9mm gauge! If you can find one they are very nice, but not cheap I'm afraid! http://www.passion-metrique.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2323&start=45&hilit=zeuke+herr For more details on the transport of SG wagons on NG see the Wikki entries as a starter... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_wagon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollbock Edited July 27, 2014 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) The gauge is the same as N, but the sleepers would be different. Peco do some notional OO9 track.Peco do two types of 009 track,http://www.peco-uk.com/prodtype.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=3309,3322&CAT_ID=3326&numRecordPosition=21 'Crazy track' with irregular worn sleepers ideal for quarry layouts etc. Mainline track with square ended regular sleepers. Both have matching points and flexi track. Edited July 27, 2014 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Putting it rather simplisticly: "N" gauge track is nominally standard gauge track/sleepers reduced to 9mm for use with 2mm/ft models "009" is light railway track representing something in the region 2' 0" - 2' 6" reduced to 9mm for use with 4mm/ft models If you take 18.83 to be true 4mm/ft (P4/S4) gauge then 9mm represents just under half of 4' 8 1/2" Keith And again thanks - definitely looking forward to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2014 There's a nice little Pathe film clip on YouTube of one being used on the Leek & Manifold Light Railway in the 1930s. Superb! Thanks for that link. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Have Bachmann given any suggestion of the price for the Baldwin ? I wonder how it will compare with the Heljan L & B Manning Wardle which looks rather expensive at £190 when compared with their standard gauge 4mm locos. They might also have the ROD 2-8-0 in ROD livery up their sleave for later this year, perhaps as a Collectors Club model ? RB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2014 Consider the MW is outside frame though and the price is comparable to the other steam in their range. I guess they are only producing a small batch so that will push up the price a bit too Bachmann already have plenty of N gauge experience so probably helps in development of the smaller mech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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