Miss Prism Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 You've lost me now - what's wrong with 1363 mechanically? There were three (at least) height positions for the smokebox handrail on the class: 'above the upper smokebox hinge', 'aligned with the upper smokebox hinge', and 'below the upper smokebox hinge'. As far as I know, 1363's was always the last of these. Kernow's 1363, as in that EP, has put it as the first of these, but maybe Kernow wants to portray 1363 in an original ('pre-GWS' as it were) non-preserved condition (for which I do not have evidence). If that is the case, the light perimeter on the smokebox door becomes sillier than it is already. As I say, I do not know what Kernow is attempting to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2016 Handrails are mechanical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted December 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2016 Looks as if this thread has also fallen into the trap of the 48xx - if the moaners don't like it, you surely have several options: 1. Don't buy it. 2. Commission your own model. Lets get back to seeing your photos of models on your layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted December 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2016 Looks as if this thread has also fallen into the trap of the 48xx - if the moaners don't like it, you surely have several options: 1. Don't buy it. 2. Commission your own model. Lets get back to seeing your photos of models on your layout. Well said Neal. Totally agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 . I DON'T CARE. The 1361 Saddle Tanks are incredibly cute (even in real life) and somehow are going to run alongside my Beattie Well Tanks and Adams radials (and EMUs). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2016 Totally unrelated but just to cheer everyone up, here's a reminder of what railway modelling can also be like: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1827/entry-18704-tweedale-a-novel-turntable-mechanism/ 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 In my view, titivating us with incorrect samples is a waste of everyone's time and money, and should come after the mechanicals are correct. In these EPs, 1363 is wrong mechanically, and 1364 is wrong cosmetically. I am now at a loss as to understanding what Kernow are attempting to portray. The whole point of an engineering prototype is to prove that the thing can actually be made- which sometimes comes as a surprise even to the designers. It also has the function of giving a reference point for corrections. Showing these EPs opens the possibility of someone out there finding a picture demonstrating either something that wasn't known at the time of commissioning or which the factory have got wrong and which hasn't yet been spotted, or sometimes both. NOT showing these increases the chance of the final model having uncorrected errors. Perhaps this isn't entirely understood by everyone on this forum. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyG Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) There were three (at least) height positions for the smokebox handrail on the class: 'above the upper smokebox hinge', 'aligned with the upper smokebox hinge', and 'below the upper smokebox hinge'. As far as I know, 1363's was always the last of these. Kernow's 1363, as in that EP, has put it as the first of these, but maybe Kernow wants to portray 1363 in an original ('pre-GWS' as it were) non-preserved condition (for which I do not have evidence). If that is the case, the light perimeter on the smokebox door becomes sillier than it is already. As I say, I do not know what Kernow is attempting to do. On such a small model are you really going to notice a possible millimetre or two's 'discrepancy' on your loco which is already running on, presumably, 7" underscale OO track which is absolutely not correct but apparently perfectly acceptable? Edited December 24, 2016 by AndyG 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If someone else comes up with the "underscale track" line , I swear to cow (copyright Raj from Big Bang theory), I will snap ! Change the record , Puhleeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyG Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 If someone else comes up with the "underscale track" line , I swear to cow (copyright Raj from Big Bang theory), I will snap ! Change the record , Puhleeze I promise I will as soon as the rivet counting stops. Deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 What if I was going to mention there are not enough rivets on the underscale track? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 What if I was going to mention there are not enough rivets on the underscale track? Mark Grrrrrrr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Been a while any news on these? Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I wonder how many people are still in the market for one of these after Heljan's one has been available for a few weeks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 They reached EP stage, bit late to back out and I expect these will be a strong mechanism with a more refined body. Don't forget DJM is doing them so unless they are already in a container on their way they are behind the 71 in the production slot and the only gap Dave was looking to fill I hope was the withdrawal of the Hattons King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2017 I wonder how many people are still in the market for one of these after Heljan's one has been available for a few weeks? Me for starters - I was unimpressed with a number of aspects of the Hejan model and consider its a good chance that Kernows model will be better. Similarly I stuck with Rails when it came to the LMS twins rather than switch to the Dapol offering when that came out first and I have yet to purchase an Adams radial as I am content to wait to see if Hornby release one in Olive next year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Me for starters - I was unimpressed with a number of aspects of the Hejan model and consider its a good chance that Kernows model will be better. Similarly I stuck with Rails when it came to the LMS twins rather than switch to the Dapol offering when that came out first and I have yet to purchase an Adams radial as I am content to wait to see if Hornby release one in Olive next year. Reading the comments on the Hattons 14xx from DJM, I don't think there's any guarantee that the Kernow 1361 will be any better than the Heljan one - it will probably just have different faults. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2017 Reading the comments on the Hattons 14xx from DJM, I don't think there's any guarantee that the Kernow 1361 will be any better than the Heljan one - it will probably just have different faults. Except the fact that the team involved with the Kernow model and getting the details and variations correct is completely different... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2017 Reading the comments on the Hattons 14xx from DJM, I don't think there's any guarantee that the Kernow 1361 will be any better than the Heljan one - it will probably just have different faults. When does your version come out ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 When does your version come out ? Just after yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Except the fact that the team involved with the Kernow model and getting the details and variations correct is completely different... Not wishing to be picky, but would that be the same people that don't seem to be able to get the windows and gangway connection correct on the front of the 4-TC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 When does your version come out ? Seriously, has the veneration for DJM and Kernow gone so far that forum members are only allowed to make positive comments unless they manufacture RTR 00 gauge models? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2017 I just found this statement a little mean spirited if you haven't actually seen one. "I don't think there's any guarantee that the Kernow 1361 will be any better than the Heljan one - it will probably just have different faults." I do have one on order, notwithstanding Kernow is my local model shop, which I'd rather support than a big manufacturer, plus being aware of the RMweb members who have spent time and effort with the Kernow team on ensuring that the model is as correct as possible. There will always be issues with any model - it's plastic, not metal, it's very small, the wheel back-to-backs are wrong, which causes other issues, but so what. To make such a negative,critical statement, with no facts to back it up.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Reading the comments on the Hattons 14xx from DJM, I don't think there's any guarantee that the Kernow 1361 will be any better than the Heljan one - it will probably just have different faults. The only big concern their is the wheel diameter being too large. Which is an odd choice considering this turn affects splasher size etc. But overall I feel comments on the new 14XX positive enough. However, as others state, the team is not exactly the same. Kernow have the Well Tank and O2 behind them, and this should be used to judge what they do rather than the outcome of another commissioners 1st attempt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2017 Not wishing to be picky, but would that be the same people that don't seem to be able to get the windows and gangway connection correct on the front of the 4-TC? Being equally as picky, no, some of the team are different as Kernow try to engage with those outside of their own organisation that are able / prepared to advise on areas of their own specialism, including members of this very forum. It is just not right to try and judge the full outcome of one model on another. This forum does welcome constructive and objective criticism, it's the sweeping and possibly unfounded statements that rile other members (and I also do not agree with the notion that you can not offer an substantiated opinion without being an RTR manufacture or the fact it is designed to run on 00 gauge track as being useful either) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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