Roy P Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Bachmann have yet to offer us any 0-4-4T locos but looking at how they produced several 4-4-0s and 0-6-0s in succession, I suspect we'll see a few 0-4-4s relatively soon after their first. For what it's worth, the 2014 poll lists the SECR H class, NER G5, MR Johnson, CR McItosh and Stanier (Ernest Lemon) 2P in order of popularity and, of course, all the other manufacturers will be aware of this. One might make a valid case for any or all of them. The first four may have the bonus of making prettier showcase models but the 1C "Lemon tanks" worked my local branch. RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 I'll have two MR 0-4-4t's one of each please. 1833 and the 2228 class thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 You have to know the full terms of the pre order contract, which normally does give the retailer the option of altering the price after contacting the proposed purchaser to seek their agreement to continue with the sale at a revised price.I think (but I'm not sure) that they have to do this in order to comply with the regulations on financial agreements. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Whilst I understand and accept that there will be price rises year on year, what I object to is a manufacturer announcing a new model and quoting a price, which then rises each year until the model actually becomes available. So in fact the model is never actually available at the initially advertised price. Either a price should be set, taking into account how long it will be before the model is available, that can be honoured irrespective of how long it takes the model to appear, or there should be no price quoted until this is possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Whilst I understand and accept that there will be price rises year on year, what I object to is a manufacturer announcing a new model and quoting a price, which then rises each year until the model actually becomes available. So in fact the model is never actually available at the initially advertised price. Either a price should be set, taking into account how long it will be before the model is available, that can be honoured irrespective of how long it takes the model to appear, or there should be no price quoted until this is possible. Realistically, they should put price t.b.a. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 With so many price comparisons being bandied around... The next thing you know the Meerkats will be comparing model engines as well as cheap car insurance.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 The next thing you know the Meerkats will be comparing model engines as well as cheap car insurance.... But at least you'll get 'a cuddly toy' with your lowest priced Class 47 or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Realistically, they should put price t.b.a. They do, just look at the Bachmann web site. Most locos that are not available now or soon are marked as TBA. There are some with prices that are marked sept/oct, presumably because they've had their price rise for this year and Bachmann are confident the loco will be available then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 Something that is likely to become more frequent with RTR plastic I think, even at three years or so. I've already cancelled some pre-orders, one (a Hornby 'Okehampton') because I got tired of waiting and covered my requirements by obtaining a second-hand loco and the other (a set of Bachmann ex-SECR 'Birdcage' coaches) because rising prices have led me to focus purchasing decisions more tightly around my primary interests. With manufacturers producing more relatively obscure locos that will, for many, be "impulse buys", it might pay them not to allow us too much thinking time between announcement and release. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 So,then,it would seem the next move must be incarceration in The Tower ? Is it perhaps time to seek peace talks under U.N.auspices to draw the Second Great Bachmann Price War to a close ? BBC News Report indicates A.J. Blair unexpectedly available for mediation . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Realistically, they should put price t.b.a. And if you look on Bachmann's website for many of their new announcements (and some older ones like the SECR Birdcage coaches) you will see that they have done just that. EDIT: Oops, I just noticed Combe Martin's post, mine is essentially a duplicate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 But at least you'll get 'a cuddly toy' with your lowest priced Class 47 or whatever. Which will take even longer to arrive than the 47, sending annoying E-mails every so often to advise of its progress, or lack thereof.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 And ? Most locomotives where black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 All in, in 2015 we are getting 41 new steam models and that 32 of them are black. Is Bachmann UK now being run by Henry Ford? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Is Bachmann UK now being run by Henry Ford? Cheers, Mick Or Robert Riddles who paraphrased him? Being a good LNWR man, black was his colour! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 And ? Most locomotives where black. Are you talking about proper locomotives on a proper railway? If so they were (nearly) always green! However the LMS, LNER and SR seemed for some reason to like black for many of theirs. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 Must be taking about them coffee pots the GWR used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would not be too sure about that. They have found a way out of that by withdrawing the model before it has been produced and then reintroducing it later. As it has been withdrawn there is no RRP and thus no obligation on Hattons or any other dealer to honour any promise. Check the history of the Stanier Mogul if you need convincing. Bernard Hornby A3 Book Law withdrawn citing lack of pre orders , now "arriving" at £154 no idea of the old price but at a guess about £120 or less. Must have been a sudden rush of pre orders by somebody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 Is Bachmann UK now being run by Henry Ford? Cheers, Mick According to a late friend of mine who was into old cars, for most of the time the Model T was in production, black was an extra-cost option. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 According to a late friend of mine who was into old cars, for most of the time the Model T was in production, black was an extra-cost option. John I thought Henry Ford was quoted as saying 'you can have any colour as long as it's black'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHunter Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Bachmann have yet to offer us any 0-4-4T locos but looking at how they produced several 4-4-0s and 0-6-0s in succession, I suspect we'll see a few 0-4-4s relatively soon after their first. For what it's worth, the 2014 poll lists the SECR H class, NER G5, MR Johnson, CR McItosh and Stanier (Ernest Lemon) 2P in order of popularity and, of course, all the other manufacturers will be aware of this. One might make a valid case for any or all of them. The first four may have the bonus of making prettier showcase models but the 1C "Lemon tanks" worked my local branch. RP Prefer the Johnson aesthetically but would settle for a Lemon. 0-4-4s are an obvious direction to go, Hornby seem to have done OK with the M7. If I'm really honest, I get excited about any LMS or constituent locos being produced in 00. Even an 0-6-0 diesel would spark interest..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHunter Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Are you talking about proper locomotives on a proper railway? If so they were (nearly) always green! However the LMS, LNER and SR seemed for some reason to like black for many of theirs. Keith Hmm, a proper railway started with green and then progressed to a more modern and stylish red. A Weatherburn finish on a 4mm scale model would be a sight to behold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ady77014 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 On the whole Model T Ford thing: In the first year they were painted grey, red and green. According to Mr J. "Hungry" Clarkson on a episode of QI, ones built in Manchester they came out blue... Black was introduced in 1914 as a cost cutting exercise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Black was introduced in 1914 as a cost cutting exercise. Does that mean Bachmann are trying to cut costs? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2015 Just found these on Hattons website - available to pre-order - highlighting the variances in pre-order pricing. Both are the later modified locos with the air cooler box. Freightliner 70015 for £152.95 or Colas 70805 for £98 (However, this one is an estimated price with the option to cancel if the price rises.....) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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